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My first "Real" Rock Song

victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
Hi all! I am new here. I simply cannot believe how my vocal production has changed and improved since "meeting" Ken! Best $300 I have spent in my entire 53 years of life!!! I have spent 1-3 hours a day for the last 67 days working up to volume 3, and learning songs i once thought impossible. A bit of background. I sang for a living for over 18 years, as a piano man. I have also spent thousands of dollars on vocal coaches. Some good, some bad. Most bad. Up till recently, a G was a struggle, if you know what i mean. But that is now history!!!!

So here's my attempt to capture a Rock feel in singing. It's my very first time singing in this "calling register". I am amazed how easy it felt. This was recorded straight into an iPhone. No post production, no anything - just straight into a phone with 2 speakers and a subwoofer playing next to the phone facing me. Note: I sang Highway to Hell, Thunderstruck and Long way to the top in a medley that was a total of 11+ minutes, non-stop. his means that the snippet of Longway to the top was sung straight after Highway to hell and Thunderstruck. I edited it so this could fit under 4 minutes.

At the end of 11+ minutes, I was totally fresh in the voice, no pain in the throat. I actually went on to sing a few other songs. I am also very unfamiliar with the songs so i kinda made it up as I went along to the lyrics in front of me. Would love to improve. I am not after praises to boost my ego (get enough of that from polite friends and family, and my mum who carries on haha!). Any honest suggestion or comment would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks for your time!

Here it is:

Comments

  • You're a madman! ha ha ha.

    Bon Scott is really hard to sing.

    It wasn't bad at all. I enjoyed watching it. Your timing was a bit off, but it worked for you.

    I can't really critique you because I'm still on volume 2, but just wanted to let you know I thought you did a good job.

    Peace, Tony
  • Michael4000Michael4000 Posts: 658STREAMING PRO
    I thought it was pretty good too. And yeah, this is a mountain of song you chose.
  • ikingiking Posts: 360Pro
    Nice Job,

    You sound like you were a very experienced Hi - Bari before the course.

    I think I'm a "vanilla" baritone. Maybe even low. Even though I can hit notes up to C7, on a good day , I find them unusable in any song. { Low note C2 ]


  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Thanks Michael4000! Hi iking, like yourself, i am a LOW baritone and always will be. I can actually hit a low C. My speaking voice is almost like nat king cole, honestly. I am guessing that those "unusable" notes may (only) be usable in context. For example, a High B that i hit in an AC/DC song has a certain "dirty" out-of-control" quality to it (ie., calling register) that would be absolutely silly if applied to Nessun Dorma. Just my 2 cents. Anyway, my favourite singer Nat King Cole only used about 1.5 octaves to produce that immortal sound from his voice box!!! Range is only a by-product of healthy habits right?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    iking, In case it helps you, here is what my "natural" baritone voice is like when singing a less "calling out" song. This was made before I even knew about Ken Templin. I passed the first round of audition for The Voice Australia 2019 (yes next year) recently using this. :
  • Are you part Italian by chance? ha ha. You have those crazy hand gestures, but that's cool. It adds flavor to the visual.

    Awesome vocal by the way.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Haha!!! I "grew up" playing the piano and singing. I remember performing on stage on the piano singing "Swany River", at age 8-9. So i guess i am at a lost with what to do with my hands!!! I am more at home performing while playing the piano. But I believe that it is a good idea to do what is not comfortable every now and then. Here is a little song I did at home (and feeling at home with my hands) -
  • I didn't notice a tip jar so I guess that was a freebie ha ha ha.

    That was really good. You're a very talented person.

    I can't wait to hear what you sound like after you get used to using Ken's method.

    Peace, Tony
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 14,367Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    You are going to be a monster, @victortang! (The good kind).
  • Ken TamplinKen Tamplin Posts: 432Administrator, Moderator
    edited December 2018
    Dude, the AC/DC rocked ha ha. You Rock!
  • Claude77Claude77 Posts: 116Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Man, you are a great singer with a lot of passion that comes trough your voice.
    You are going to be absolutely awesome and by the way Ken Tamplin is
    THE MAN!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Hey guys! Mmmmm....how do i say this? ..... Recently, due to a certain advice from a certain giant of the Asian Entertainment industry, I told myself that compliments from people do NOT help me (and may even hinder my progress). It's nice to receive compliments, so a BIG thank you to Claude77, highmtn, videoace..... But I gotta say - FAAAAAAAAAAAR OUT!!!! A compliment from you Mr Tamplin! YOU MADE MY DAY(S)!!! I remember you (Ken) saying that these vocal training does NOT (in itself) make us a good/great singers, rather, we make us great singers. So true. But, last night proved that your methods are fxxking amazing!!!!!!!!!! I was hitting notes that were in my falsetto range, with a mixed or chest voice (I don't really know!!!). It was like someone else was singing. My wife of 25 years heard me and was amazed by the difference in my tone, control and high notes without the usual strain. You know, no one cared about all that but me. Most of the time, they just wanna get drunk to music they like and I just wanted to put a smile on their faces. My best compliment from last night was that they saw it worthwhile to pay me $1000 (plus dinner and drinks, which I gave to my drummer). Hahaha....

    i would love to share some clips from last night. Bad recording, the drummer was way too close to the camera. Will up load in the next 6-8 hours.

    p/s.....I cannot wait to take some one-on-one with you Ken. Money's a bit tight at the moment with christmas coming etc.... But I am training hard so I can be corrected properly. I will have to do it soon before bad habits set in I guess!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Managed to edit and upload the clip here. Just wanna share a couple of things with you here. I would have done over 20,000 gigs in 15-18 years (till around 2005). This is the first time I am performing in a gig after training with the KTVA method. Firstly, I must say, my abs are aching. (And I am very fit in that area, being able to do 8-10 Jack LaLanne pushups). Secondly, I sang with such ease. Thirdly, I was hitting notes that were normally falsetto, wth a kind of confident chest or mixed voice (i don't really know, eg., 1 min 21 seconds hitting a full voice in A, previously simply impossible)....

    I was also able to sing "tenderly" with conviction which was previously very very rare. Only I would know that my singing has "changed". People who know me (including my wife) say that i seem to have more control over my voice.

    I haven't suddenly become George Benson or Bon Scott, but I think I am significantly more "convincing". Hope it is ok to share all these with you. Nobody else in my life seem to care about this stuff that much. Haha....
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Oh! I gotta say one significant observation I had last night.... I was really tired by the end of the evening, having sung about 30 songs. But it was a general tiredness. NOT the usual "I have no more voice" tiredness I would expect to experience in most of my previous thousands of gigs!! I simply had no more of "me" to give, not no more "voice". Hope that made sense.
  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Posts: 718Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO
    @Fernandom check this guys videos, he is a baritone
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    @victortang Damn, man I love your voice. It's so good!
    Good job! You can get really far with that.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Hi Diego, thank you for the kind words. I do think that criticism is more useful than patting each other on the back. But I appreciate your love! Having said that, I must compliment you on your incredible singing and (obviously) hard work! Your B Rhapsody is simply stunning! Congratulations!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Here's a bit of a song that I did 2 nights ago. What I found note worthy is that (1) my G (0:15) was so "tenor like" as it never has been before, (2) I found that it was so much more easier to express the song because of the ease of voice production; (3) At the end of the song I had very mid-low range voice production that i normally found difficult to sound "nice" but I have managed to do that (relative to what I know of my own singing).

    I even had a vibrato happening on the very last note of the song at 1:23 (without consciously trying). By the way I have never ever produced vibrato in any of my singing in my entire life till now!!!

    In short, this little snippet shows me that i am a better singer (relative to what i know of myself) - even when there was no enthusiastic audience to provide a sense of excitement. But of course, only I care about all these. People listening are oblivious to all this "excitement".
  • ikingiking Posts: 360Pro
    Nice. Good to hear you still using your baritone range. I sometimes get the impression here, that
    people plan to suddenly change their repertoire to all high belting material.

  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Hi iking, I love how Ken uses the term "money notes". In short, those belted high notes are always the ones people clap to. I guess selective use of those would be wise. Personally I love the rich tone of Nat King Cole - no high notes, no belting....just soulful expression of love and beauty.
  • @victortang Do you write original material as well?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Hi Tony. I do. But truly, I don't think they are good. I have written songs since 16....really sentimental stuff. Song for girl friends, a teacher, my daughter....personal stuff aimed at satisfying no one else but me. Recently wrote one for a friend who passed away at a young age of 48.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 100
    edited December 2018
    I wrote my first song at 12 years old about a restaurant, and the song was called "Eat At Joe's. ha ha
    I basically just write commercial pop, rock, country, R&B, and some blues. Nothing complicated. I find that you can reach a bigger audience if people don't have to think when listening.

    With your talent you should be writing your own material, or have somebody writing it for you.

    Peace, Tony
  • ikingiking Posts: 360Pro
    In short, those belted high notes are always the ones people clap to. I guess selective use of those would be wise

    Yes, good approach.

    Would you say you followed a particular approach, such as Bel Canto, in your
    baritone work, previous to your new, Tamplin, stylings?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Hi Tony, I have found in my singing journey that it is better to just go with the flow. Whenever I try to do things for extrinsic rewards (eg., fame and fortune), it never ever works well for me, and I also rob myself of the joy of the intrinsic rewards offered by singing. This has been true with all other parts of my life as well. So whilst you are right to think that I should write songs, I do it to make myself happy. I would love to share my songs with you if you like.
  • I always hear people say that. That they just want to be happy singing. I hope I don't offend you, but it seems to me that with your talent it would be even more rewarding to not only make yourself happy, but a lot of other people in the process. The money and fame is all cosmetic, but the pure joy of making people happy with your voice is something you should share with the world. Just my opinion. I hope you don't mind.

    "With great power comes great responsibility" - Spiderman ha ha ha

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Hi iking, I would not actually say it is Bel Canto that I follow. I have learnt from Bel Canto teachers. I have also learnt from more contemporary teachers. I think the Seith Riggs methodology is where I have found the most useable knowledge. Regarding your mention of "New, Tamplin, Stylings", I would have to say that my neurological pathways pertaining to singing has established a few new (good) habits.

    To start with, I now call upon my abs to work hard for me when I sing - even when it is a soft low note. I have also found that the "Ah" sound is finding it's way into my voice production, without me trying to do so. I only found this to be true when I play back my own singing. And I have cut back on many useless warmups and useless exercises that i previously valued.

    The teacher appears when the student is ready. For me, this is so true with my discovery of Ken Tamplin. My favourite that Ken has said is that if you believe you are a singer, you are a singer. Words to that extend. For me, Singing a song is reciting an emotional poem with and through music, to make the poem more impactful. So my thinking is that Ken is absolutely right. Believe that I am reciting a poem with my voice and hope to share the emotions with others, and play the role of a singer.
  • FernandomFernandom Posts: 53Enrolled
    Thanks Gaston!.Congratulations Victor!
    really fantastic and I also like a lot the attitude and enthusiasm
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    hi Tony, ABSOLUTELY agree with you. You are very polite and not offensive at all! In fact, sharing is part of making myself happy! There is always going to be people who dislike what I do. But someone will love me - even if I have to do it myself!!! Hahaha.

    Singing is a "Performance Art". So PERFORM, I say!

    Writing my own songs, getting myself "out there"...etc. I have done all that and in fact, I have come as far as I thought I could go without selling my soul. I played for casinos, hotels, bars, and over 200 weddings! I retired from singing (for a full time living) around 2005, after about 18 years. Since then, I have built several businesses, raised 2 children, bought 8 properties in Australia. I am not rich, but financially comfortable, extremely happy. My point is that Now I can sing to please who I want to please, when I want to, and how I want to.

    I recently auditioned for The Voice Australia 2019. 400 were selected from a pool of 5000 singers. I qualified as one of the 400. I guess that's part of my attempt to share my "talent" (which I prefer to call my "Joyous Spirit"). I do wish to go as far as "they" allow me. So that's my attempt to share I guess...

    in fact, I have my sights set on 2019 The Voice China. 1.3 Billion people to share my music with!!

    I remember watching some singing competition tv show and the judge would ask the singer "What's the Dream?". And the answer would always involve some material objective like fame or fortune, Well, I am living the dream. I have learnt that if I don't feel successful now, I never will. Even if I have never sold a song, or have a dollar to my name. As long as I have my health...

    A lot of verbal diarrhoea from me here. I hope no one is offended here. Everyone has his/her own opinion. These are just mine that no one has to agree with.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Hi Fernanom, I think enthusiasm accounts for a lot in life generally. But many people lose their child-like enthusiasm because they have experienced failures along the way of doing things they are enthusiastic about. So they eventually say "What is the point of all these, I will probably fail again".

    I just remember now, that i went into a singing contest at 17 years of age. I lost, and even worse, my then girl friend told me in the face that I should never sing again. True story!!!! (But do i listen?)

    At 53, My "secret" is that every fall I experience is another fall out of the way. And i am therefore closer to success. So I am keen to fall. The more the better. Get up, buck up, and I will get there because "there" is now closer than I imagine!!!
  • I'm sure you didn't offend anyone here. Like you said, everyone has their own opinions, and different definitions of what success is.
    To me success is just writing a really well put together song whether someone else hears it or not. It just feels good to accomplish something from nothing but a simple thought. To be able to do that always amazes me for some reason.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Agree! I have written a song for almost every significant occasion or person in my life. I have also sold one song to a sporting event in 1991 for $2000 (haha...that was funny). I guess intrinsic rewards balanced with extrinsic motivation is healthy.

    On my daughter's 21st birthday, I sang a song ( i wrote for her) in front of all her friends. Normally, that would be a really embarrasing thing to do right? But she really appreciated it. (She is a really gifted singer herself). There was not a pair of dry eyes in the restaurant after I sang. So that was my extrinsic reward.
  • Thats awesome. Those are the best songs because they actually mean something to the audience. (family/friends)

    I did a video of my ex- girlfriends daughter when we were together, and it chronicled her life from a baby to 21 years old. I used Aerosmith's "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing", and it had that same effect. Hell I was even crying by the end of it, and I saw it a thousand times doing the editing. ha ha ha

    It just makes you feel great.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    My late father sang on my wedding day in 1995. He sang in chinese and not one person spoke chinese there. But everyone was in tears! Amazing.
  • That's the power of music. The translation is in the music as well as the words.
    We all have the same gambit of emotions so anytime a musician or singer can touch on any of them, it can be like a drug almost.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Actually, I want to share something i just realised I "achieved" on last saturday night. I hit a Hi C in full voice, albeit very very briefly. I didn't realise that it was a high c - if I did, i would not have taken the risk. I have NEVER done that before!!!! KTVA rocks!!!!!! It's at 2:44 :
  • Sounded good. What type of keyboard is that you are playing?

    Peace
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Korg SV1. It's my favourite keyboard. The piano sound is amazing! what you hear in the clip is a pre sequenced arrangement, and I am only playing very little of the keyboard. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SV1-88BK--korg-sv-1-88-stage-vintage-piano-black
  • I was just reading up on it. It seems to have a lot of good features in it. The one that jumped out for me was the vibe effect. That effect sounds really good on a fender Rhoades style sound. It's also set up to use three dampner pedals instead of one which gives more flexibility.

    I have something similar, but it doesn't have all the bells, and whistles as yours does.
    Mine is just a no frills piano with 88 weighted keys, with a couple of electric piano sounds. The sounds are really nice on mine which is what made me buy it. (plus it was only a few hundred dollars)

    I'm not a pianist by any means of the definition, but I like to use my piano when I'm playing it against an acoustic guitar or want a really low end sound to accent a striking note.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    I love the sound of the acoustic piano on the Korg SV1. I am amazed that they sampled the sounds of a grand piano with ALL of its audio components. We are talking the sound of the sympathetic vibrations of the entire piano when each note is struck, the sound of the wood and metal in the piano when you use the sustain pedal, and an adjustable resonance when you strike each key hard. When you play soft, the keys purrs without that artificial "twang". All minor details that are major for me. You can probably hear all these subtleties in the song I posted here (Moody's mood for Love).

    The vintage electric piano sounds sssso warm. You cannot tell the difference from an original Rhodes!!! It's true!

    Oh....and the heavy keys have the best feel ever! I like striking the keys aggressively in certain songs and the response of the SV1 is just what i want. I simply cannot play anything else after i fell in love with it!!!

    The best part - playing it MAKES me want to sing! And you know how we all just love singing here!!!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO

    Dude, the AC/DC rocked ha ha. You Rock!

    I simply have to say here - Ken, You are an amazing teacher. Your course is the real deal! I may be jumping the gun by going into Volume 3 after a mere month o Vol 1 and 2, but the exercises and the little subtle advice/instructions you so effectively put into each one is priceless! My wish is to come to you one day to book one to one lessons (if you will have me). I don't care where you are, be it Hawaii or Texas....I will fly over. I hope it is next year.
  • I love it all. Playing, singing, listening, watching anything musical.

    Music is like magic to me. I am amazed by everything about it. It's truly what I've felt I was meant to do from an early age, and here I am!

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Where can I see/hear your work Tony?
  • This is something I'm currently working on. (polishing it up for airplay)



    Peace, Tony
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    @victortang Thank you for the compliments!
    What are some of your inspirations? I want to know.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 1,255Administrator, 2.0 PRO, hidden_admin, Facility Management
    Hi Tony, @videoace

    "Never perfect, but always proud" - Yes! And we all should be!

    Doc
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    @videoace I like the transitions! Pretty cool!
    You did all the instruments right? Wow you're talented lol. I can barely play 1 instrument lol.
  • Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

    @Diego, one day we're going to have to talk about doing some collaborating on original material.

    Peace, Tony
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Hey Tony, That's pretty special! I like your voice - Ethereal quality to it. Very emotional. You sound like a man who have lived!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Hi Diego,I hope you achieve everything you want to achieve with your singing and music.

    My influence? My hair stood up when I first heard stevie wonder and Ray Charles. George Benson is also one of my favourites. I actually got to meet Ray Charles the year before he passed away. I was hired to play the piano at the opening of the Crown Casino in Melbourne, and Ray Charles was at the backstage where I happened to be grabbing a coffee. I nearly shitted myself with excitement!!!! I met God!!!!

    I think I will be crucified for saying what I am about to say. The only music I WAS not inspired by is rap and rock. Rock is not "my style", so AC/DC, Queen, Stevie Ray, Led Zeppelin, Kiss, etc are not music that inspired me. (Sorry). But, I am starting to think differently. Yes you can teach an old dog!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    @videoace I like the transitions! Pretty cool!
    You did all the instruments right? Wow you're talented lol. I can barely play 1 instrument lol.

    Diego, you have yourself a beautiful instrument built into your body!!!! Your singing is amazing!
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    @victortang wow, to think that you would meet one of your idols is amazing. I can definitely feel the soul in your singing that's for sure! And it's totay okay for you not to be inspired by rock, everybody has different inspirations.
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    @victortang You are a nice person. You definitely inspire, both by music and as a person!
  • Thanks, but I still have a lot of work ahead of me. I started the course with zero singing knowledge, and experience so it's going to take a while, but from my experience here so far, it's going to sooo be worth every ounce of effort.

    Peace
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited January 1
    Diego, I meant what I said about your voice man! Not just being nice here, seriously.

    I am a teacher (of sort), and a parent, and being inspiring is important I think. My main business is fitness training and I have been a strength coach for over 30 years (since 18 years of age). I own a couple of gyms and have had over 5,000 clients in the last 16-17 years. So I think I have a habit of always trying to keep "the glass is half full" attitude....as much as life allows me. I play a role whereby my clients look up to me for guidance and inspiration. I am thankful for it!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    videoace said:

    Thanks, but I still have a lot of work ahead of me. I started the course with zero singing knowledge, and experience so it's going to take a while, but from my experience here so far, it's going to sooo be worth every ounce of effort.

    Peace

    Tony, guess who else had no singing lesson? Freddie Mercury!!!! And I am pretty sure Stevie Wonder was too poor when he recorded his first album as a child, to afford any singing lesson.

    Your voice is soulful, with or without lessons.
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    Your kid/kids must be lucky then! A singing strength coach! You've been pretty successful, and I can see why.
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Now that you mention it, Freddie Mercury is what inspired me to try and become a great singer without having one vocal lesson. But I think it's about time I took some. LOL can't believe this conversation has 60 comments already.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Diego said:

    Your kid/kids must be lucky then! A singing strength coach! You've been pretty successful, and I can see why.

    My son is a martial arts enthusiast doing a masters degree, and teaching jiu jitsu. He's a good boy. No interest in singing whatsoever.

    This is my beautiful daughter at 23 years of age last year, singing with me:

    And Amelia singing without a warm up!!
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 6182.0 PRO
    lol, you sound like Disney characters, so good, probably because it's from a play, Phantom of the Opera is it?. I guess big talent runs in the family lol!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Diego said:

    Your kid/kids must be lucky then! A singing strength coach! You've been pretty successful, and I can see why.

    Ah the magical word "Successful". I just want to respond to this if i may. I went to an Anthony Robbins Seminar when I was 22 yo, and I got 1 single thing out of those 9-10 hours listening to him. And that is, if I do not feel successful at any point in time in my life, regardless of how much material "things" I have, I will NEVER feel successful (even if I had a billion dollars). That has resonated throughout my life.

    Actually my wife and I were just talking about this topic this morning at breakfast. Like myself, she agrees that money and materials are not the measure of success. Health is Numbero uno! Even happiness is overacted. Acceptance of the good and the bad - THAT is the real key, we think.
  • Success is a very simple concept to me. If you set out to accomplish something, and you are able to see it through to the end, and finish it......you succeeded.

    If you set out to make a million dollars, and you do...... you were a success at making money. If you set out to write a song (that's me!) and you do... you have achieved success.
    I may not be successful at selling my songs, but I still succeeded at writing it.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    Yes, ultimately, Success is nothing more than a feeling. You are successful if you feel successful. Some people (think they) need a Million dollars to feel successful. Every morning, I feel successful when I wake up at 5am, and can pee without any discomfort! Haha

    Allow me to explain why I feel successful ALL the time.

    2.1 billion people in our world have no clean water to drink. 3 billion live on $2.50 a day. 29,000 children die each day from preventable causes (21 per minute). I hope I am not being too dramatic. These are facts. Facts that sadden me, but serve to remind me how successful I am to have enough water to drink so I can urinate at 5am without any pain or hunger.
  • Ha ha ha, now that's funny.

    I think the problem with a lot of people is that they equate their efforts as either a success or a failure when in reality they don't realize that their failures will eventually teach them to be a success. Unfortunately most give up before they can figure that out.

    Peace
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    highmtn said:

    You are going to be a monster, @victortang! (The good kind).

    Thanks for the encouraging and extremely complimenting comment Bob (I hope I got your name right).

    The entertainment industry is not unfamiliar to me. It is, in my experience, like any other industry - requiring hardworking and opportunities. I would like to be this monster you spoke of, the good kind, and I have worked very hard over decades to try to achieve that. Unfortunately, many of those years were spent with the wrong "mentors". Singing is such a wonderful thing. I am blessed to be energetic and healthy, and blessed to meet the right people in my journey. So even if the monster stays dormant, I am happy.

    Nevertheless, Hearing you say this to me means something! Thank you!

    *I've been called many things in my life. Monster (the good kind) is probably my favourite right now! :D
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited December 2018

    Dude, the AC/DC rocked ha ha. You Rock!


    Looking forward to coming to see you in Arizona next year (if you'd have me)! 22 hours on a plane is no fun....plus the jet lag...but i so look forward to it!!

    I have never had the desire to visit America....until now! Heard the burgers are huge there. Yummmmmm
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    @doc_ramadani Hi Doc, I just thought of something to tell you that may be of interest. I asked Ken about this AC/DC songs that I did. Now he said that I was doing glottal compression well. I said to him "what is that haha" because I have not studied this yet. Then he said something that made me laugh - he said "you just got lucky".

    Not trying to say that I was right. No. In fact, I really didn't know how I got it right. I tried to repeat the same performance. I can repeat it, but I sometimes "miss" it and the vocal throat feels scratched (and I stop immediately).

    Thought You'd like to know. I got lucky...hahaha
  • ikingiking Posts: 360Pro
    edited December 2018
    AC/DC songs that I did

    yeah bro, you got the rock seal of approval on that one!

  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Posts: 718Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO
    edited December 2018
    @victortang glottal compression took me a lot to get it, you'll probably get it pretty quick once you start volume 3,because you already did it, without noticing it, so don't rush on it, we just tend to complicate things haha
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    @Gaston_Jauregui Hi Gaston, may i ask you something? If you were finding that it took a lot to get it, does it mean that once you "got it" you could use it without any awkwardness/difficulty?? I mean, when I see Ken demonstrate his glottal compression or frying, it's as if it is just another easy thing to do. Are you at that stage the moment you "got it"?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    iking said:

    AC/DC songs that I did

    yeah bro, you got the rock seal of approval on that one!


    @iking I am not sure if Ken actually approved. I actually should have asked. But I would imagine that if I was him, I would NOT approve. I'll explain why I say that.

    I teach weight lifting and have done so for over 35 years. If someone lifts correctly accidentally (i.e., "got lucky"), without knowing why and how it is correct, I would not approve. This is because without the conscious knowledge of perfect technique, as "lucky" lifter may get hurt in the one instant when he is having a bad day, or when he simply defaults to an incorrect posture/technique.

    SO I guess it is back to the drawing board for me. Man! I couldn't even do my lip rolls without Ken stopping me for correction!!!! So much work, so little time!!!!


  • ikingiking Posts: 360Pro
    Well it's exciting to hear you're enjoying a new , singing path!
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 1,255Administrator, 2.0 PRO, hidden_admin, Facility Management
    @victortang Thank you for the feedback. So, continue your good work and you will nail ANY song ANYtime. Doc
  • ikingiking Posts: 360Pro
    edited January 1
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 1,255Administrator, 2.0 PRO, hidden_admin, Facility Management
    edited January 1
    Hi @iking,

    I think that @victortang earned amazing skills over so many years. And I guess he had to work hard on them. I think he is really good on so many things. And, to me, if there is anyone who is able to judge this, it it is Ken. Personally, I think that @victortang could improve on many things, but he works on them, and he is doing that. For that he earns my respect.

    I liked the christmas video of him very much. And he is doing the only right thing: he asks Ken. If you want to improve ask the one who is better than you, and he does exactly that. It is the only way to improve.

    In the way of the samurai, many are called,
    but few are chosen.


    I would be proud if one of my classmates would become a samurai.

    Doc

    PS.: Victor, I cross my fingers for you. You are really good.

  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited January 1
    Happy 2019 to one and all!

    @doc_ramadani Hi doc! I'm not so sure about being a samurai....hahaha. I think I am more like a Shaolin Monk.

    You are right - everything related to singing I had to work on them. Like most/all of us here, I wish I was gifted. But no, I sounded like shit when I first started singing (after puberty). Every phrasing of a song, every little detail of a song had to be worked on. And high notes - forget it!

    And just when I thought I have got "it", there's more to learn. The more you learn the less you know.

    Doc, thanks for your compliments and confidence. I have a 24 yo daughter who is truly talented, unlike me who needs to work at it. But she has a terrible disease called Functional Neurological Disorder, and her talent lies with her in a hospital bed most months of the year. In fact at this very moment, she has lost her ability to talk and to chew food for the last 2 weeks. So I think that I am working twice as hard to make up for her lacks.

    I want to walk this path I am taking to inspire her and perhaps give her hope.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 1,255Administrator, 2.0 PRO, hidden_admin, Facility Management
    Hi @victortang, I am very sorry to hear that your daughter suffers from "FNsD". There is nothing worse for a father than knowing that a child is ill. I wish I could help you. Do you have a doctor or psychotherapist at your place who works with medical hypnosis? - That might be an approach to help your daughter. From your previous posts I know you are from Australia. Maybe, my colleagues can help you: https://www.erickson-foundation.org/institutes/country/australia/
    Marco
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    @doc_ramadani Medical Hypnosis? Wow I thought we have explored every possibility. I will look into it. Thank you Doc!
  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Posts: 718Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO
    edited January 2
    @victortang hi, the understanding of it is one thing, (glotal compression) the doing it right at all times (like Ken does) can be challenging as everything else in singing :/, i read your daughter is ill, im sorry to hear that, im gonna be praying for her
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited January 2
    @Gaston_Jauregui Thank you for your prayers. If there is a god, he has a reason for this. We shall embrace and meet the challenges...This is topic for another forum on another day!

    Thanks for your advice on Glotal Compressions (GC).

    Regarding Glotal Compression: To me, It feels very much like learning to ride a bicycle. In the beginning, it is IMPOSSIBLE. But after learning the basics and practising, it is hit and miss. And one day, BINGO! You are riding with no hands!

    Except this one is not a bicycle....it's a monocycle! haha....

    p.s. I must kinda disagree that G.C. is like everything else in singing (at least for most people). Many basic stuff in singing may be quite easy for most people, and even very easy for the "talented". G.C. feels like some kind of vocal acrobatic. And it seems to require a high level of genuine emotional excitement - I mean, you certainly cannot whisper (in a Calling Register), "HEY!!! Someone STOP THAT GUY FROM STEALING MY MANBAG!!!!!"

    *Sorry Gaston, not trying to create a disagreement. Hope you don't mind me saying.
  • Vixen85Vixen85 Posts: 54Pro
    @victortang

    HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYCRAP MAN. you totally rocked the ACDC I was like wwwwwwwwwwwoah. And i heard the other clips (the moment where you are lifting the weight) and your voice is so so different. Huge versatility. Apart from that you are a one hell of a piano player! Really enjoyed that one. Wow eh you ve got a huge talent man. keep on rocking. You are from Australia? I am from Malta.Pity so far away hah my boyfriend is a really good electric guitarist would have been really cool if you could have collaborated on something.
    Really sorry to hear about your daughter and such apity she has such talent as well! I am currently doing this programme but I do not know if it can help for such disorders. But this programme helps in creating new neural pathways and remove the ones that lead to unhealthy disorders.ill send it to you on a message.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited January 8
    @Vixen85 Hi (Vixen85? I', Victor what is your name?)

    The ACDC songs were recorded through my iPhone using that cheap $80 mic. No post production of any sort!

    YES I would LOVE to work with a good guitarist!!!!! In fact, I was thinking that its never too late to learn....but who am I kidding?? hahah

    Thank you so much. I will look into it. Amelia is an unbelievably talented singer with a BIG heart. She will survive this!!!
  • Vixen85Vixen85 Posts: 54Pro
    It sounded really really clear! Are there any mics that can be attached to a pc instead?

    Haha no no thats true. Obviously if uve started at a younger age you will be much more ahead but its never too late to learn. My name is Rowena by the way.

    She truly is her voice is really pleasant to listen to and that song is sure not an easy one. Prayers for your family.
  • Michael4000Michael4000 Posts: 658STREAMING PRO
    @victortang really enjoy your videos, you sound very good. Sorry for your daughter's illness, I hope she recovers. I have a question (as a fellow piano player), on your cover of Just the Two of Us, are you actually playing the keyboard? I see your hands moving but it doesn't look like it's to the notes of the song, especially after the 1:00 mark. You can obviously play, as I saw in Moody's Mood for Love. Sorry I'm not trying to offend or be accusatory, I'm just curious.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    @Michael4000

    Good question. Not offended, don't feel accused at all.

    The electric piano parts are already prerecorded (in a backing track). I actually play a vey very soft "vibe" on top of it all. I could just not play and sing. But it is my habit. If I don't have my fingers on the keyboard, I feel lost, as you can see from all my singing videos.
  • Michael4000Michael4000 Posts: 658STREAMING PRO
    I understand.

    I will say a prayer for your daughter. I would have a very hard time dealing with my children being sick like that. How long has she been ill?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    edited January 16
    @Michael4000 Hi Michael, sorry i missed your post for some reason, till now. She's been up and down for the last 10 years. And she is going downhill. We now have a hospital bed for her, and a scooter (for disabled people) for her to move around when she can, which is very infrequent. It's been a challenge.

    A lesson for some parents:

    My daughter's condition was triggered by Electroconvulsive Therapy to treat her severe depression. Her entire nervous system went under some kind of shock and she has lost normal use of her body. They call it FND - Functional Neurological Disorder. They have a name for everything that they know NOTHING about!!! Last month, she "forgot" how to use the muscles on her face. She couldn't eat for 2 weeks! One time, she "forgot" how to breathe and we got a call from her at 3am with her gasping for air - imagine the horror!! DO NOT AGREE TO ECT WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT ITS POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS! In my daughter's case, we were NOT warned except for some fine print.

    Love your children. That is all you can do sometimes.

    RE: Playing the Keyboard/piano. Oh yes one more thing about the piano playing. This was the first time I was working with Branko the drummer. We didn't even rehearse. So I was a bit out of sort. Normally I love playing a lot more on the keyboard. But at this gig, I was very distracted with his drumming, so I was concentrating a lot more on the vocals, and trying not to add anymore confusion to the sound. (You can see in the video I was using my left arm to "conduct" the rhythm that was not quite right to me)
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 3312.0 PRO
    Vixen85 said:

    It sounded really really clear! Are there any mics that can be attached to a pc instead?

    Haha no no thats true. Obviously if uve started at a younger age you will be much more ahead but its never too late to learn. My name is Rowena by the way.

    She truly is her voice is really pleasant to listen to and that song is sure not an easy one. Prayers for your family.


    @Vixen85 I have a PC with a microphone input. So I am sure you can get a mic for it! Look in ebay or amazon - everything is there!!! Search "mic for pc".

    RE: "TALENT" Rowena, I am really really NOT talented. Every note I sing or play has been from hours of work and practise. You know it is true, because I will continue to improve. Really talented people do not work half as hard as I do. I hate them haha (joking). I once went to a talented famous singer for lessons. His best teaching method was "Just do as I do, throw your voice" and "Don't raise your head". Whatever...
  • Michael4000Michael4000 Posts: 658STREAMING PRO
    Wow that is quite a story. Good luck, I hope she improves. Yes our children are a gift.
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