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My first "Real" Rock Song

victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
Hi all! I am new here. I simply cannot believe how my vocal production has changed and improved since "meeting" Ken! Best $300 I have spent in my entire 53 years of life!!! I have spent 1-3 hours a day for the last 67 days working up to volume 3, and learning songs i once thought impossible. A bit of background. I sang for a living for over 18 years, as a piano man. I have also spent thousands of dollars on vocal coaches. Some good, some bad. Most bad. Up till recently, a G was a struggle, if you know what i mean. But that is now history!!!!

So here's my attempt to capture a Rock feel in singing. It's my very first time singing in this "calling register". I am amazed how easy it felt. This was recorded straight into an iPhone. No post production, no anything - just straight into a phone with 2 speakers and a subwoofer playing next to the phone facing me. Note: I sang Highway to Hell, Thunderstruck and Long way to the top in a medley that was a total of 11+ minutes, non-stop. his means that the snippet of Longway to the top was sung straight after Highway to hell and Thunderstruck. I edited it so this could fit under 4 minutes.

At the end of 11+ minutes, I was totally fresh in the voice, no pain in the throat. I actually went on to sing a few other songs. I am also very unfamiliar with the songs so i kinda made it up as I went along to the lyrics in front of me. Would love to improve. I am not after praises to boost my ego (get enough of that from polite friends and family, and my mum who carries on haha!). Any honest suggestion or comment would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks for your time!

Here it is:

Comments

  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    You're a madman! ha ha ha.

    Bon Scott is really hard to sing.

    It wasn't bad at all. I enjoyed watching it. Your timing was a bit off, but it worked for you.

    I can't really critique you because I'm still on volume 2, but just wanted to let you know I thought you did a good job.

    Peace, Tony
  • Michael4000Michael4000 Posts: 276STREAMING PRO
    I thought it was pretty good too. And yeah, this is a mountain of song you chose.
  • ikingiking Posts: 220Pro
    Nice Job,

    You sound like you were a very experienced Hi - Bari before the course.

    I think I'm a "vanilla" baritone. Maybe even low. Even though I can hit notes up to C7, on a good day , I find them unusable in any song. { Low note C2 ]


  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    Thanks Michael4000! Hi iking, like yourself, i am a LOW baritone and always will be. I can actually hit a low C. My speaking voice is almost like nat king cole, honestly. I am guessing that those "unusable" notes may (only) be usable in context. For example, a High B that i hit in an AC/DC song has a certain "dirty" out-of-control" quality to it (ie., calling register) that would be absolutely silly if applied to Nessun Dorma. Just my 2 cents. Anyway, my favourite singer Nat King Cole only used about 1.5 octaves to produce that immortal sound from his voice box!!! Range is only a by-product of healthy habits right?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    iking, In case it helps you, here is what my "natural" baritone voice is like when singing a less "calling out" song. This was made before I even knew about Ken Templin. I passed the first round of audition for The Voice Australia 2019 (yes next year) recently using this. :
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Are you part Italian by chance? ha ha. You have those crazy hand gestures, but that's cool. It adds flavor to the visual.

    Awesome vocal by the way.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    Haha!!! I "grew up" playing the piano and singing. I remember performing on stage on the piano singing "Swany River", at age 8-9. So i guess i am at a lost with what to do with my hands!!! I am more at home performing while playing the piano. But I believe that it is a good idea to do what is not comfortable every now and then. Here is a little song I did at home (and feeling at home with my hands) -
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    I didn't notice a tip jar so I guess that was a freebie ha ha ha.

    That was really good. You're a very talented person.

    I can't wait to hear what you sound like after you get used to using Ken's method.

    Peace, Tony
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,905Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    You are going to be a monster, @victortang! (The good kind).
  • Ken TamplinKen Tamplin Posts: 430Administrator, Moderator
    edited December 1
    Dude, the AC/DC rocked ha ha. You Rock!
  • Claude77Claude77 Posts: 112Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Man, you are a great singer with a lot of passion that comes trough your voice.
    You are going to be absolutely awesome and by the way Ken Tamplin is
    THE MAN!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    Hey guys! Mmmmm....how do i say this? ..... Recently, due to a certain advice from a certain giant of the Asian Entertainment industry, I told myself that compliments from people do NOT help me (and may even hinder my progress). It's nice to receive compliments, so a BIG thank you to Claude77, highmtn, videoace..... But I gotta say - FAAAAAAAAAAAR OUT!!!! A compliment from you Mr Tamplin! YOU MADE MY DAY(S)!!! I remember you (Ken) saying that these vocal training does NOT (in itself) make us a good/great singers, rather, we make us great singers. So true. But, last night proved that your methods are fxxking amazing!!!!!!!!!! I was hitting notes that were in my falsetto range, with a mixed or chest voice (I don't really know!!!). It was like someone else was singing. My wife of 25 years heard me and was amazed by the difference in my tone, control and high notes without the usual strain. You know, no one cared about all that but me. Most of the time, they just wanna get drunk to music they like and I just wanted to put a smile on their faces. My best compliment from last night was that they saw it worthwhile to pay me $1000 (plus dinner and drinks, which I gave to my drummer). Hahaha....

    i would love to share some clips from last night. Bad recording, the drummer was way too close to the camera. Will up load in the next 6-8 hours.

    p/s.....I cannot wait to take some one-on-one with you Ken. Money's a bit tight at the moment with christmas coming etc.... But I am training hard so I can be corrected properly. I will have to do it soon before bad habits set in I guess!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    Managed to edit and upload the clip here. Just wanna share a couple of things with you here. I would have done over 20,000 gigs in 15-18 years (till around 2005). This is the first time I am performing in a gig after training with the KTVA method. Firstly, I must say, my abs are aching. (And I am very fit in that area, being able to do 8-10 Jack LaLanne pushups). Secondly, I sang with such ease. Thirdly, I was hitting notes that were normally falsetto, wth a kind of confident chest or mixed voice (i don't really know, eg., 1 min 21 seconds hitting a full voice in A, previously simply impossible)....

    I was also able to sing "tenderly" with conviction which was previously very very rare. Only I would know that my singing has "changed". People who know me (including my wife) say that i seem to have more control over my voice.

    I haven't suddenly become George Benson or Bon Scott, but I think I am significantly more "convincing". Hope it is ok to share all these with you. Nobody else in my life seem to care about this stuff that much. Haha....
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    Oh! I gotta say one significant observation I had last night.... I was really tired by the end of the evening, having sung about 30 songs. But it was a general tiredness. NOT the usual "I have no more voice" tiredness I would expect to experience in most of my previous thousands of gigs!! I simply had no more of "me" to give, not no more "voice". Hope that made sense.
  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Posts: 615Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO
    @Fernandom check this guys videos, he is a baritone
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    @victortang Damn, man I love your voice. It's so good!
    Good job! You can get really far with that.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    Hi Diego, thank you for the kind words. I do think that criticism is more useful than patting each other on the back. But I appreciate your love! Having said that, I must compliment you on your incredible singing and (obviously) hard work! Your B Rhapsody is simply stunning! Congratulations!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 2
    Here's a bit of a song that I did 2 nights ago. What I found note worthy is that (1) my G (0:15) was so "tenor like" as it never has been before, (2) I found that it was so much more easier to express the song because of the ease of voice production; (3) At the end of the song I had very mid-low range voice production that i normally found difficult to sound "nice" but I have managed to do that (relative to what I know of my own singing).

    I even had a vibrato happening on the very last note of the song at 1:23 (without consciously trying). By the way I have never ever produced vibrato in any of my singing in my entire life till now!!!

    In short, this little snippet shows me that i am a better singer (relative to what i know of myself) - even when there was no enthusiastic audience to provide a sense of excitement. But of course, only I care about all these. People listening are oblivious to all this "excitement".
  • ikingiking Posts: 220Pro
    Nice. Good to hear you still using your baritone range. I sometimes get the impression here, that
    people plan to suddenly change their repertoire to all high belting material.

  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    Hi iking, I love how Ken uses the term "money notes". In short, those belted high notes are always the ones people clap to. I guess selective use of those would be wise. Personally I love the rich tone of Nat King Cole - no high notes, no belting....just soulful expression of love and beauty.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    @victortang Do you write original material as well?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 3
    Hi Tony. I do. But truly, I don't think they are good. I have written songs since 16....really sentimental stuff. Song for girl friends, a teacher, my daughter....personal stuff aimed at satisfying no one else but me. Recently wrote one for a friend who passed away at a young age of 48.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    edited December 3
    I wrote my first song at 12 years old about a restaurant, and the song was called "Eat At Joe's. ha ha
    I basically just write commercial pop, rock, country, R&B, and some blues. Nothing complicated. I find that you can reach a bigger audience if people don't have to think when listening.

    With your talent you should be writing your own material, or have somebody writing it for you.

    Peace, Tony
  • ikingiking Posts: 220Pro
    In short, those belted high notes are always the ones people clap to. I guess selective use of those would be wise

    Yes, good approach.

    Would you say you followed a particular approach, such as Bel Canto, in your
    baritone work, previous to your new, Tamplin, stylings?
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    Hi Tony, I have found in my singing journey that it is better to just go with the flow. Whenever I try to do things for extrinsic rewards (eg., fame and fortune), it never ever works well for me, and I also rob myself of the joy of the intrinsic rewards offered by singing. This has been true with all other parts of my life as well. So whilst you are right to think that I should write songs, I do it to make myself happy. I would love to share my songs with you if you like.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    I always hear people say that. That they just want to be happy singing. I hope I don't offend you, but it seems to me that with your talent it would be even more rewarding to not only make yourself happy, but a lot of other people in the process. The money and fame is all cosmetic, but the pure joy of making people happy with your voice is something you should share with the world. Just my opinion. I hope you don't mind.

    "With great power comes great responsibility" - Spiderman ha ha ha

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    Hi iking, I would not actually say it is Bel Canto that I follow. I have learnt from Bel Canto teachers. I have also learnt from more contemporary teachers. I think the Seith Riggs methodology is where I have found the most useable knowledge. Regarding your mention of "New, Tamplin, Stylings", I would have to say that my neurological pathways pertaining to singing has established a few new (good) habits.

    To start with, I now call upon my abs to work hard for me when I sing - even when it is a soft low note. I have also found that the "Ah" sound is finding it's way into my voice production, without me trying to do so. I only found this to be true when I play back my own singing. And I have cut back on many useless warmups and useless exercises that i previously valued.

    The teacher appears when the student is ready. For me, this is so true with my discovery of Ken Tamplin. My favourite that Ken has said is that if you believe you are a singer, you are a singer. Words to that extend. For me, Singing a song is reciting an emotional poem with and through music, to make the poem more impactful. So my thinking is that Ken is absolutely right. Believe that I am reciting a poem with my voice and hope to share the emotions with others, and play the role of a singer.
  • FernandomFernandom Posts: 53Enrolled
    Thanks Gaston!.Congratulations Victor!
    really fantastic and I also like a lot the attitude and enthusiasm
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 3
    hi Tony, ABSOLUTELY agree with you. You are very polite and not offensive at all! In fact, sharing is part of making myself happy! There is always going to be people who dislike what I do. But someone will love me - even if I have to do it myself!!! Hahaha.

    Singing is a "Performance Art". So PERFORM, I say!

    Writing my own songs, getting myself "out there"...etc. I have done all that and in fact, I have come as far as I thought I could go without selling my soul. I played for casinos, hotels, bars, and over 200 weddings! I retired from singing (for a full time living) around 2005, after about 18 years. Since then, I have built several businesses, raised 2 children, bought 8 properties in Australia. I am not rich, but financially comfortable, extremely happy. My point is that Now I can sing to please who I want to please, when I want to, and how I want to.

    I recently auditioned for The Voice Australia 2019. 400 were selected from a pool of 5000 singers. I qualified as one of the 400. I guess that's part of my attempt to share my "talent" (which I prefer to call my "Joyous Spirit"). I do wish to go as far as "they" allow me. So that's my attempt to share I guess...

    in fact, I have my sights set on 2019 The Voice China. 1.3 Billion people to share my music with!!

    I remember watching some singing competition tv show and the judge would ask the singer "What's the Dream?". And the answer would always involve some material objective like fame or fortune, Well, I am living the dream. I have learnt that if I don't feel successful now, I never will. Even if I have never sold a song, or have a dollar to my name. As long as I have my health...

    A lot of verbal diarrhoea from me here. I hope no one is offended here. Everyone has his/her own opinion. These are just mine that no one has to agree with.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 3
    Hi Fernanom, I think enthusiasm accounts for a lot in life generally. But many people lose their child-like enthusiasm because they have experienced failures along the way of doing things they are enthusiastic about. So they eventually say "What is the point of all these, I will probably fail again".

    I just remember now, that i went into a singing contest at 17 years of age. I lost, and even worse, my then girl friend told me in the face that I should never sing again. True story!!!! (But do i listen?)

    At 53, My "secret" is that every fall I experience is another fall out of the way. And i am therefore closer to success. So I am keen to fall. The more the better. Get up, buck up, and I will get there because "there" is now closer than I imagine!!!
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    I'm sure you didn't offend anyone here. Like you said, everyone has their own opinions, and different definitions of what success is.
    To me success is just writing a really well put together song whether someone else hears it or not. It just feels good to accomplish something from nothing but a simple thought. To be able to do that always amazes me for some reason.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 3
    Agree! I have written a song for almost every significant occasion or person in my life. I have also sold one song to a sporting event in 1991 for $2000 (haha...that was funny). I guess intrinsic rewards balanced with extrinsic motivation is healthy.

    On my daughter's 21st birthday, I sang a song ( i wrote for her) in front of all her friends. Normally, that would be a really embarrasing thing to do right? But she really appreciated it. (She is a really gifted singer herself). There was not a pair of dry eyes in the restaurant after I sang. So that was my extrinsic reward.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Thats awesome. Those are the best songs because they actually mean something to the audience. (family/friends)

    I did a video of my ex- girlfriends daughter when we were together, and it chronicled her life from a baby to 21 years old. I used Aerosmith's "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing", and it had that same effect. Hell I was even crying by the end of it, and I saw it a thousand times doing the editing. ha ha ha

    It just makes you feel great.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    My late father sang on my wedding day in 1995. He sang in chinese and not one person spoke chinese there. But everyone was in tears! Amazing.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    That's the power of music. The translation is in the music as well as the words.
    We all have the same gambit of emotions so anytime a musician or singer can touch on any of them, it can be like a drug almost.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 3
    Actually, I want to share something i just realised I "achieved" on last saturday night. I hit a Hi C in full voice, albeit very very briefly. I didn't realise that it was a high c - if I did, i would not have taken the risk. I have NEVER done that before!!!! KTVA rocks!!!!!! It's at 2:44 :
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Sounded good. What type of keyboard is that you are playing?

    Peace
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    Korg SV1. It's my favourite keyboard. The piano sound is amazing! what you hear in the clip is a pre sequenced arrangement, and I am only playing very little of the keyboard. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SV1-88BK--korg-sv-1-88-stage-vintage-piano-black
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    I was just reading up on it. It seems to have a lot of good features in it. The one that jumped out for me was the vibe effect. That effect sounds really good on a fender Rhoades style sound. It's also set up to use three dampner pedals instead of one which gives more flexibility.

    I have something similar, but it doesn't have all the bells, and whistles as yours does.
    Mine is just a no frills piano with 88 weighted keys, with a couple of electric piano sounds. The sounds are really nice on mine which is what made me buy it. (plus it was only a few hundred dollars)

    I'm not a pianist by any means of the definition, but I like to use my piano when I'm playing it against an acoustic guitar or want a really low end sound to accent a striking note.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    I love the sound of the acoustic piano on the Korg SV1. I am amazed that they sampled the sounds of a grand piano with ALL of its audio components. We are talking the sound of the sympathetic vibrations of the entire piano when each note is struck, the sound of the wood and metal in the piano when you use the sustain pedal, and an adjustable resonance when you strike each key hard. When you play soft, the keys purrs without that artificial "twang". All minor details that are major for me. You can probably hear all these subtleties in the song I posted here (Moody's mood for Love).

    The vintage electric piano sounds sssso warm. You cannot tell the difference from an original Rhodes!!! It's true!

    Oh....and the heavy keys have the best feel ever! I like striking the keys aggressively in certain songs and the response of the SV1 is just what i want. I simply cannot play anything else after i fell in love with it!!!

    The best part - playing it MAKES me want to sing! And you know how we all just love singing here!!!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO

    Dude, the AC/DC rocked ha ha. You Rock!

    I simply have to say here - Ken, You are an amazing teacher. Your course is the real deal! I may be jumping the gun by going into Volume 3 after a mere month o Vol 1 and 2, but the exercises and the little subtle advice/instructions you so effectively put into each one is priceless! My wish is to come to you one day to book one to one lessons (if you will have me). I don't care where you are, be it Hawaii or Texas....I will fly over. I hope it is next year.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    I love it all. Playing, singing, listening, watching anything musical.

    Music is like magic to me. I am amazed by everything about it. It's truly what I've felt I was meant to do from an early age, and here I am!

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    Where can I see/hear your work Tony?
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    This is something I'm currently working on. (polishing it up for airplay)



    Peace, Tony
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    @victortang Thank you for the compliments!
    What are some of your inspirations? I want to know.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 4932.0 PRO
    Hi Tony, @videoace

    "Never perfect, but always proud" - Yes! And we all should be!

    Doc
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    @videoace I like the transitions! Pretty cool!
    You did all the instruments right? Wow you're talented lol. I can barely play 1 instrument lol.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

    @Diego, one day we're going to have to talk about doing some collaborating on original material.

    Peace, Tony
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    Hey Tony, That's pretty special! I like your voice - Ethereal quality to it. Very emotional. You sound like a man who have lived!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    Hi Diego,I hope you achieve everything you want to achieve with your singing and music.

    My influence? My hair stood up when I first heard stevie wonder and Ray Charles. George Benson is also one of my favourites. I actually got to meet Ray Charles the year before he passed away. I was hired to play the piano at the opening of the Crown Casino in Melbourne, and Ray Charles was at the backstage where I happened to be grabbing a coffee. I nearly shitted myself with excitement!!!! I met God!!!!

    I think I will be crucified for saying what I am about to say. The only music I WAS not inspired by is rap and rock. Rock is not "my style", so AC/DC, Queen, Stevie Ray, Led Zeppelin, Kiss, etc are not music that inspired me. (Sorry). But, I am starting to think differently. Yes you can teach an old dog!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    @videoace I like the transitions! Pretty cool!
    You did all the instruments right? Wow you're talented lol. I can barely play 1 instrument lol.

    Diego, you have yourself a beautiful instrument built into your body!!!! Your singing is amazing!
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    @victortang wow, to think that you would meet one of your idols is amazing. I can definitely feel the soul in your singing that's for sure! And it's totay okay for you not to be inspired by rock, everybody has different inspirations.
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    @victortang You are a nice person. You definitely inspire, both by music and as a person!
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Thanks, but I still have a lot of work ahead of me. I started the course with zero singing knowledge, and experience so it's going to take a while, but from my experience here so far, it's going to sooo be worth every ounce of effort.

    Peace
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    @victortang You are a nice person. You definitely inspire, both by music and as a person!

    Diego, I meant what I said about your voice man! Not just being nice here, seriously.

    I am a teacher (of sort), and a parent, and being inspiring is important I think. My main business is fitness training and I have been a strength coach for over 30 years (since 18 years of age). I own a couple of gyms and have had over 5,000 clients in the last 16-17 years. So I think I have a habit of always trying to keep "the glass is half full" attitude....as much as life allows me. I play a role whereby my clients look up to me for guidance and inspiration. I am thankful for it!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    videoace said:

    Thanks, but I still have a lot of work ahead of me. I started the course with zero singing knowledge, and experience so it's going to take a while, but from my experience here so far, it's going to sooo be worth every ounce of effort.

    Peace

    Tony, guess who else had no singing lesson? Freddie Mercury!!!! And I am pretty sure Stevie Wonder was too poor when he recorded his first album as a child, to afford any singing lesson.

    Your voice is soulful, with or without lessons.
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    Your kid/kids must be lucky then! A singing strength coach! You've been pretty successful, and I can see why.
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    Now that you mention it, Freddie Mercury is what inspired me to try and become a great singer without having one vocal lesson. But I think it's about time I took some. LOL can't believe this conversation has 60 comments already.
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    Diego said:

    Your kid/kids must be lucky then! A singing strength coach! You've been pretty successful, and I can see why.

    My son is a martial arts enthusiast doing a masters degree, and teaching jiu jitsu. He's a good boy. No interest in singing whatsoever.

    This is my beautiful daughter at 23 years of age last year, singing with me:

    And Amelia singing without a warm up!!
  • DiegoDiego Posts: 4442.0 PRO
    lol, you sound like Disney characters, so good, probably because it's from a play, Phantom of the Opera is it?. I guess big talent runs in the family lol!
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    Diego said:

    Your kid/kids must be lucky then! A singing strength coach! You've been pretty successful, and I can see why.

    Ah the magical word "Successful". I just want to respond to this if i may. I went to an Anthony Robbins Seminar when I was 22 yo, and I got 1 single thing out of those 9-10 hours listening to him. And that is, if I do not feel successful at any point in time in my life, regardless of how much material "things" I have, I will NEVER feel successful (even if I had a billion dollars). That has resonated throughout my life.

    Actually my wife and I were just talking about this topic this morning at breakfast. Like myself, she agrees that money and materials are not the measure of success. Health is Numbero uno! Even happiness is overacted. Acceptance of the good and the bad - THAT is the real key, we think.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Success is a very simple concept to me. If you set out to accomplish something, and you are able to see it through to the end, and finish it......you succeeded.

    If you set out to make a million dollars, and you do...... you were a success at making money. If you set out to write a song (that's me!) and you do... you have achieved success.
    I may not be successful at selling my songs, but I still succeeded at writing it.

    Peace, Tony
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 4
    Yes, ultimately, Success is nothing more than a feeling. You are successful if you feel successful. Some people (think they) need a Million dollars to feel successful. Every morning, I feel successful when I wake up at 5am, and can pee without any discomfort! Haha

    Allow me to explain why I feel successful ALL the time.

    2.1 billion people in our world have no clean water to drink. 3 billion live on $2.50 a day. 29,000 children die each day from preventable causes (21 per minute). I hope I am not being too dramatic. These are facts. Facts that sadden me, but serve to remind me how successful I am to have enough water to drink so I can urinate at 5am without any pain or hunger.
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,783Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Ha ha ha, now that's funny.

    I think the problem with a lot of people is that they equate their efforts as either a success or a failure when in reality they don't realize that their failures will eventually teach them to be a success. Unfortunately most give up before they can figure that out.

    Peace
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 6
    highmtn said:

    You are going to be a monster, @victortang! (The good kind).

    Thanks for the encouraging and extremely complimenting comment Bob (I hope I got your name right).

    The entertainment industry is not unfamiliar to me. It is, in my experience, like any other industry - requiring hardworking and opportunities. I would like to be this monster you spoke of, the good kind, and I have worked very hard over decades to try to achieve that. Unfortunately, many of those years were spent with the wrong "mentors". Singing is such a wonderful thing. I am blessed to be energetic and healthy, and blessed to meet the right people in my journey. So even if the monster stays dormant, I am happy.

    Nevertheless, Hearing you say this to me means something! Thank you!

    *I've been called many things in my life. Monster (the good kind) is probably my favourite right now! :D
  • victortangvictortang Posts: 922.0 PRO
    edited December 6

    Dude, the AC/DC rocked ha ha. You Rock!


    Looking forward to coming to see you in Arizona next year (if you'd have me)! 22 hours on a plane is no fun....plus the jet lag...but i so look forward to it!!

    I have never had the desire to visit America....until now! Heard the burgers are huge there. Yummmmmm
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