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Beginning Head Voice training and alternating chest every other day- but lost chest voice power 1st

I am just beginning Head Voice after 6 weeks of Volume 3 trainin. I know I will alternate chest voice and head voice training every other day. I have an issue after my 1st head voice session.

After the 1st head voice session, I lost all the power I had in my chest voice for 4 days. I think I have it back, thank God, so it doesn't look like it's a long term set back. I was amazed at what happened- nothing hurt at all, but it felt like my adams apple was "higher" and stayed that way a few days- even my speaking voice was higher- like i sucked on mild helium or something, lol. To be honest- if head voice messes up my chest voice/power- I would rather not bother with it at all. However- I believe that is still a big part of the entire program- so I have to do it, but now I am REALLY leery of it. So let's see where I went wrong.

I did the head voice along with Ken's examples. I did exactly the way he does it, and maybe that's my problem. I did it in the fullness and volume he does it, and not light at all- what Ken was doing, I was doing. My throat didn't hurt at all, but my adams apple really felt "higher" when I was done and felt like IT gota real worout. Again- no pain at all- but goodbye chest voice for 4 days, and I really got worried. So- since I am brand new moving into the head voice training, how should I proceed?

I know to to use my support and hold back the air- no techniques should I not do what Ken is doing and go very light- almost falsetto? I am serious- I am afraid to even try head voice again- I like where I was getting without it. I don't want a long set back. Was trying it at Kens volume and intensity where I went wrong- too early for that? If I go light, will my chest voice be ok as I alternate days between chest and head training?

Thanks for your instructions/guidance as usual.


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,001Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    My recommendation is that you go back and make sure your chest voice is in good shape first. Then very lightly begin to do the head voice exercises. Maybe even just start doing one or two head voice exercises (lightly) per day, and adding as you go along, until you can incorporate the whole head voice group of exercises.

    You have built this robust chest voice. The head voice is going to compete for some of the same real estate on your cords, and it can be confusing for your voice to go from one to the other, all of a sudden. AND, it's really easy to overdo the head voice exercises, especially when you first do them. You want to sing as high as Ken does, so if it doesn't come right away, we have a tendency to PUSH to get to those notes. Better to skip the first, highest notes than to blast them out. That can cause the cords to swell, and take a few days to recover. And you want to keep your upper chest voice functional. Ken says that the really high, timbral head voice will "tear" at your upper mid-chest notes. It's that "now what do I do" confusion that has you unsure what to do on those upper notes.

    Also, it will take some time to build some stamina in that upper range area, and you want to do so in a gentle manner. So time is a factor, too.

    If you can "grow" into the head notes rather than belt them out in the beginning, you should have fewer issues. Learn to make the notes smaller first, then grow them. That will be less of a shock to your system, and produce a smoother learning curve. The goal is, of course, to get to the point where you can belt and wail on those high notes. But your voice isn't ready for that yet. It will be, if you can take careful, measured approaches to this. The value of this extended head voice will be more apparent when you begin to do some mixed voice. That's where the low head voice and the high chest voice will be blending and mixing. But first you need the separate sounds to be a part of your range, before using a little of this one and a little of that one.
  • BobbyDee77BobbyDee77 Posts: 41Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Thanks. As usual, very helpful and encouraging. I will definitely use all of your advice what happens. I think I did push too hard without realizing it, because I actually felt fine, my voice/throat never hurt. I also found a snippet from Ken on here that says when starting to train the head voice at 1st- "This will be a little discouraging initially because building head voice breaks down chest voice." I think is what happened, and in a way this is reassuring because "it's normal"- it happens as a part of this stage of training, and things even out eventually. So I will ease in a little easier now. Thanks again.
  • BobbyDee77BobbyDee77 Posts: 41Pro, 2.0 PRO
    edited March 2017
    Head voice training went a lot better today. I took the advice I received and used it- and got good results. I warmed up a little with the lip burble and tongue exercises and a few LAH exercises, just to get my chest involved a tiny bit before hitting the head voice exercises. I got through all of the head voice training videos without any problems this time. I didn't try to hit the last 2 or 3 notes Ken was hitting on each exercise- I only hit my highest note I could do today without too much strain. I also didn't push as hard for power and went semi light- just enough power to keep it bright and avoid airy falsetto. That worked very well and I didn't get that feeling of my adams being stuck up high or too being tight.

    When I went to sing afterward, I still had my chest voice and went from chest to head voice a lot easier. I didn't understand chest, mixed and head voice terms too much when I 1st joined KTVA, but now I realize what possibilities there are combining everything. Now for the 1st time ever, I am thinking I really want a good, powerful mix voice the most, because that's where a lot of what I am after lies. I didn't know that until today. Thanks for all of your help, I'm still plugging away. Tomorrow I will alternate back over to Volume 3 exercises and the next day head voice again, etc.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,001Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    Steady as she goes. Proceed with this kind of awareness, and you will get the best results. Just like growing your chest voice notes was a lot of work and took time to develop, so will this phase of the process. Being careful and cautious as you go into new vocal territories will help you to have the least setbacks from overdoing anything. Your new vocal areas are tender and frail until you have gently broken them in and allowed the muscles and tissues to find their place in these new sounds, registers, and ranges. You're re-training your voice, and it's not quite sure what to do yet as you go to these places. Give it time to find the way and for your body to begin to adapt to these vocal placements and weights.
  • BobbyDee77BobbyDee77 Posts: 41Pro, 2.0 PRO
    edited March 2017
    Thanks. I have no more fear of the head voice training messing me up. I can take it easy and let it build as I go. On a side note, I was doing a line by line vocal practice of Bon Jovi- Wanted Dead Or Alive. I can't sing up there in that song with power. Well, until tonight. I think I stumbled across something really cool as I was doing it.

    I would sing along with him singing- but using a light falsetto because I was just trying to get the nuances of his words and phrasing and not sing over it. Then I would try a few lines and I was able to sing lightly in key, but I didn't really have the power to SING IT right with know, wailing it in that magic pocket voice and support. But something cool happened that I hope is a key for me to find that awesome technique that really WORKS for me.

    I decided to start singing the lines with no music at all. I sang the 1st line in falsetto to just annunciate the nuances and any vowel mods 1st. Then the thought came, "now power up using your support, hold back your breath, push down as well as in with your diaphragm/stomach- all of it, and shoot that compressed air through that magic passage way until it is equal sounding to the falsetto- but with resonating power, like a high chest voice or mixed voice. I open up my throat, controlled the air and pressure and... I found the magic pocket again and stayed there. I was singing this song that I could never sing before.

    My neighbor even stopped in and listened and I am wailing "waaaanttteeeeed, dead or alive"- the backup part that Samora throws in there- in full high chest voice-and kept singing the song. When I was done he said, "Dude, that sounds great. You got it now- that was spot on! Your lessons are definitely working, and you are only beginning- so you are going to kick some butt out there once you are more comfortable and can dial it up every time. You already sing 100% better than I have ever heard you."

    This guy is a straight shooter and would tell me if I sucked, lol. This is really starting to take shape. I cannot believe how good I feel and how miraculous this is for me. My previous singing voice was stuck in the mud and I even had a hard time singing blues. Now, I can see that KTVA is driving me down a road to becoming a really good singer. I can't believe this, really. I have no words- except to humbly say thank you.

    Whenever I get the guts up and think I am ready to put up a link to me singing a song for you guys to critique, I will put one up. Just like this training takes time, it will take me some time until I put one up. I have to BE SURE it's not horrible and I wind up embarrassing myself too badly. Hopefully what I and my neighbor are starting to hear will be what I can put up in a song in the near future. I'm really excited about this. Even though I really enjoy playing lead guitar at a very high level- I LOVE to sing, too!!

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,001Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited March 2017
    So take every possible note that you can about how to get total recall on that pocket. It's the Holy Grail of singing. The one Ken talks about all the time. It's a matter of getting all of the moving targets in check, and getting the push down while you slowly bring in the belly that creates the perfect compression that doesn't blow out the cords, but makes for great sound. You can lose your grip on that after the first few times you find it, so find as many memory pegs as you possibly can to help you re-create those feelings and those sounds. After really getting them all burned-in to your eproms, you'll be able to recall that setup on command, every time. That's what you want.

    The KNOWING HOW. The FEELING of it. The SOUND of it. The FREEDOM of it. The RELIABILITY of it. Match that up with the ability to cut back the air and protect your voice from blowout, and you'll be unstoppable.

    You are finding this very quickly. Many have to work at all of Ken's instructions for a while before they have their big AHA moment of getting it all to come together. You're hitting on all twelve cylinders, and you've found it in short order.

    Nice work.
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