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Success-What Does It Really Take?

CherieCherie Posts: 63Pro
Only a few weeks into this, I realize it's going to take much more than buying a popular CD pack promising to contain all the answers to lousy singing, learning some vocal exercises and then experiencing a vocal transformation. I've tried all that with a few other vocal programs and even some instructors along the way. In a way, maybe all those attempts led me here.
My singing history began over eight years ago after my Dad passed away. Years before, I was a ballet dancer. I missed the performing and all of it so, so much but those days were over. I was grown, married with kids & an average life. I could go to zumba every week and exercise with a bunch of women to music or spend a pile of money on ballroom dance and actually compete in unGodly expensive costumes with thousands of rhinestones. I enjoyed painting. (a lot less expensive). Then a light went off and I realized, "I should be a singer!" So at 50, I thought, "You were a great dancer, you can be a singer! How hard can it be?" Since then, I've purchased books, CD's, sporadic lessons & watched countless YouTube videos. Every single time I bought a vocal program or expensive lessons with a new "vocal coach" I had childlike hopes and dreams for discovering what in the world I was doing wrong vocally. There is no question that I have improved since I first started this but overall my progress has been disappointing.
A little over a year ago when I decided to try yet another vocal method & purchase the KTVA program, I did it because, honestly, I am endlessly hopeful and I'm a dreamer. I can't believe I can't do it. To some, I may be too old, as well, but there is a little spark inside that is still burning after all these years. Everyone has a unique set of challenges. I have my own collection. They are obstacles like brick walls and I believe there is a path through them. It just has to be found.
So.... for my Christmas present more than a year ago, my grown son & husband both chipped in & got me the KTVA pro pack of CD's and DVD's. Yeah! During Christmas vacation I opened it up and wondered what magic I would find in this wonderful bundle. I began the exercises. I was pretty devoted during the next 10 days. Our vacation ended. We came back home. I returned to my day job & life's daily responsibilities resumed. I began to skip the exercises for days, then weeks and eventually months went by. It stayed on my music bookshelf with all my other CD's and vocal books.
Life went on to Jan. 2017. That's when, out of the blue, I got really sick. It turned into pancreatitis overnight & I almost died. I was in the hospital for a month. Lot's of prayers were answered. I completely recovered. I came home really weak and bummed out to say the least. I decided to make some life changes just to be safe like giving up any wine and actually all alcohol of any kind and following a very healthy diet. I retired from my day job & decided I'm going to make this singing dream come true if it's the last thing I do!
I still sing as a back-up singer in a local tribute band but we only perform 2-3 times per year. It's not even close enough to satisfy what I hope to do. 3 weeks ago something prompted me to pass over all my other vocal CD programs on that bookshelf & pull out my KTVA Christmas present program again.
I am approaching this the same way I did as a young ballet dancer so many years ago. It's basically a partnership with Ken Tamplin and KTVA. I am going to keep my promise to the program and devote my time and efforts like consistent daily focused training and this program is going to help me go from average to singing better than anyone else! I am adding in some faith on my side that this is the right training. One has to believe that their teacher is correct. I am starting out with cautious optimism which is slowly turning into belief. I have to approach it with a certain amount of trust and faith because significant results won't happen in "days". I guess, not months either. I do hope to hear stepped improvements along the way.
One part of my dream is to become a lead singer with live musicians (not backing tracks) and have weekly gigs. Somewhere in this year, I'm going to try to get a small jazz group going. My voice has to be interesting enough to make some musicians around here want to do this with me. I really hope I will be able to progress enough to get started performing regularly within 6 months. I have tons of great dresses to wear with piles of rhinestones.
When this works it may be just another success story in a string of many for Ken Tamplin. Dreams can come true at any age, right?




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  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 9,935Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    Nothing like a month in the hospital and a close brush with the possibility of death to get us to reconsider how we're going to handle the balance of time we have left.

    When we treat today like there might not always be a tomorrow, we tend to get a little more serious about what we want to accomplish.

    We all can tend to let things slide that we should be focusing on if we really want to see results.

    I'm glad you made it through this one, Cherie, and now that you have a new fire going, you can do a lot with it. The best vocal program can't do much for us when it sits on a shelf or in a computer, but we're saving it for later.

    A lot of getting a successful group going is putting yourself into a position to be the vocalist someone wants, when the opportunity arises. Right place, right time, right skills.

    I'm fortunate enough to have fallen into a group about 10 years ago, and we've played almost every weekend (for pay) the entire time I've been with them. I've been in bands since I was fourteen years old, but this one has really lasted and really played a lot of gigs. It's almost a nuisance to play that much, but I know I'm really fortunate to be in such a position. I've held down 60 hour per week jobs while playing two or three nights a week.

    When I was younger, I was in bands that had record deals, went out on the road, and my only job was being a musician. That didn't last forever, and reality eventually had its way with me. But I never stopped playing. It wasn't until more recently that I decided to actually learn to sing, instead of being a self-taught "background vocalist". I took several expensive vocal programs, and got only minor improvements. KTVA helped me to change that, and gave me the ability to find my voice and develop it.

    Opportunities are out there, but you have to find them, and sometimes you just have to be fortunate. But you have to put yourself in the position to be available when the right opportunity comes along, and you have to seek out those opportunities. Part of that is you doing your daily workouts, paying attention to your own progress and what you need to focus on, and preparing yourself for a future that you can't see until it's right there looking you in the face.

    But are your dreams of performance realistic? Yes. There is no time like the present to prepare yourself for availability with the right qualifications. There is competition for the positions we can fill. Vocal flexibility and adaptability can figure-in heavily when musical groups are forming or selecting new candidates. Opportunities do exist, but they are sought-after.

    Get your voice shining like those rhinestones. Then go out and shine.

    Bob
  • I don't know why I didn't understand the physicality and training that comes along with singing from the beginning. I think I was negatively influenced by the comment I still hear so often, "Well, a person is either born with a great voice or not!" With that kind of widely repeated opinion (too often!) by lots of people, when a person opens their mouth for the first time at karaoke & sounds awful, then, obviously, they were not born with "it" & should give up right then and there! It's not true with dancing and I don't think it's true with singing either.
    You and me both didn't wake up one day and decide to put on some toe shoes and perform with artistry on stage executing grande jetes and triple pirouettes! It took hours and hours, hundreds of classes, iron will determination and many failed attempts. Every single blister and sore muscle was so worth it but it sure did not happen overnight!!
    I'm glad I kept persevering with this and searching to find a legitimate program and it's amazing creator in Ken Tamplin. I am also really excited that he seems to know what he is talking about and has found a way to offer a real working plan to us dreamers in our quest toward really developing our voices as singers!
    I wish for you, Matsy, very few obstacles, great effective training and success with your singing! Something tells me we just have to succeed!
  • I feel a lot of what you are saying. I will be 45 this year and just picked up Ken's vocal program because there is that part of me that just wants to sing. Just because we aren't 20 something anymore doesn't mean we should crawl into a corner and fade away.

    The great thing about your previous training in ballet is that you can understand the benefits of training and how nothing comes without effort. If you put in the effort, slowly but surely amazing things are possible. BTW, I also was a professional dancer haha.

    I have only been doing the program for just over a week at this point and have done the exercises daily. I can only say I am blown away by the changes that have happened - of course there will be plateau moments, that is the nature of training, but so far the change is dramatic. In fact when I listened to myself recently I was surprised it was my voice. I have recorded myself singing before and while I could always carry a tune, I was amazed at this new quality my voice has.

    From your dancing background you will recognise a good teacher when you see one, I am convinced that Ken is 100% the real deal. I have watched him one on one with students in some of his videos here and what he is able to see and hear and bring out of them - as long as they put in the work is jaw dropping. I think the best part about watching Ken, is that he doesn't let anything slide, he catches it all.

    Ultimately though it comes down to your own effort, so keep up the good work! It's not time to die yet.
  • Thank you, Bob. I love reading your posts. I know, as time moves forward, your comments will continue to inspire and motivate me to work hard and keep going! As an experienced musician, your guidance is really, really helpful. Yes, I have "adjusted" my life outlook! The thing I am after with this singing is actually a bit difficult for me to completely understand at this point. I'm not really after fame, money, adoration, applause or any of that. I do want to sing and perform. Starting out, I want to do it regularly, every week! It's one thing to sing but performance skills add a whole new level of difficulty. I need to build that experience. I think what I want the most, ultimately, is to discover artistry. I know that probably sounds really corny. I don't know how I would get it & if I could figure that out it also seems like a massive mountain. I hope, in time, my direction will, at least, just head upward toward that. That would be an amazing gift!
  • viniciusoliveiraviniciusoliveira Posts: 190Enrolled
    edited April 19 Vote Up1Vote Down
    I think I was negatively influenced by the comment I still hear so often, "Well, a person is either born with a great voice or not!" With that kind of widely repeated opinion (too often!) by lots of people, when a person opens their mouth for the first time at karaoke & sounds awful, then, obviously, they were not born with "it" & should give up right then and there! It's not true with dancing and I don't think it's true with singing either.


    I totally agree. I wanted to be a singer since I was 12,yet I only got the guts to begin singing when I turned 20 due to how naive I was.

    I heard a lot of non-sense like that so often.
    Someone being able to sing in a Pro level without training for years is just as possible as a newborn child being able to speak 5 languages in a native level.
  • In the eighth grade I had a music teacher at school who, one day at the beginning of the school year, played a song in class, told us all to sing along to it while he walked past each of us and "evaluated" each student for singer potential. At the end of the song he stood up there & very confidently told us there was only one girl in the class who had the voice to be a singer. The rest of us were not born with the right stuff. She must have felt great. I, along with I'm sure others felt, well, not so good. I'll never forget that experience. I was really shy, trusting and very impressionable at 12! Now, I'm older, wiser & after many years I'm finally going to prove that teacher, whatever his name was, was completely ignorant and pretty full of himself.
  • viniciusoliveiraviniciusoliveira Posts: 190Enrolled
    edited April 21 Vote Up1Vote Down
    Cherie said:

    In the eighth grade I had a music teacher at school who, one day at the beginning of the school year, played a song in class, told us all to sing along to it while he walked past each of us and "evaluated" each student for singer potential. At the end of the song he stood up there & very confidently told us there was only one girl in the class who had the voice to be a singer. The rest of us were not born with the right stuff. She must have felt great. I, along with I'm sure others felt, well, not so good. I'll never forget that experience. I was really shy, trusting and very impressionable at 12! Now, I'm older, wiser & after many years I'm finally going to prove that teacher, whatever his name was, was completely ignorant and pretty full of himself.

    I BET that girl was a relative of him and that was all made up :)
    That was utterly unprofessional,really.
    I've hear people saying that kinda thing over and over.
    Stuff like "my mom\son\daughter\cousin\best friend forever\pet\imaginary friend is the only one who can sing here! All others are trash!!"


    Truth is: the only ones who can't sing are those who can't speak. Mute people.
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