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Can You Describe Your Vocal Condition After Gigs?

JoshuaJoshua Posts: 84Member, Enrolled
Hey Guys,

I was curious if you could describe your vocal condition after gigs.

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  • My problem is trying not to get carried away.... I've now started to incorporate the vocal training into my routine and my chest range has definitely improved. Last night I was belting top Eflats comfortably. It has been my aim to sing Bohemian Rhapsody all in chest with ease and last night managed 95% of it. The best I have ever done. Once I can manage that, then Sweet Child of Mine would be nice all in chest!  But I got excited that I had all these extra notes in my chest range and oversang! Today the voice is a bit tired, but went through the vocal exercises carefully.
    Got another gig tomorrow - gonna try be more conscious :-)
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 9,423Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited August 2013 Vote Up2Vote Down

    The better your vocal monitoring system can rise above the din of the rest of the band, the more opportunity you have to sing more lightly and let your voice soar rather than crash.

    By the time you realize that your voice is going into distortion, it is usually too late, and your cords will suffer from abrasion.  Just a little too much and they are going to swell.  When they swell, you lose your upper midrange, the money notes.  Gone, for however long before you get it back.  Your mileage may vary.

    When you can hear the monitors clearly without stressing your cords to get loud enough to be heard, the quality part of your voice will be much more resilient.  You know, the part of your voice that really gets you excited and causes you to go for more and more high notes....  that part...  goes first... when you push too hard... when you're excited... and having too much fun.... for just a few seconds too long....

    That's why, like Scott said, PACE YOURSELF.  Like Ken says.  Pace Yourself. 

    Don't go all stops out, all night long.  Mix it up, start out moderately, do a more challenging tune, ease off for a tune or two, then ratchet up a notch or two...  Be fully warmed up and firing on all twelve cylinders before you get to your really hot stuff!!!

    You are not a Marshall Amplifier.  You can't Wail on Eleven All night long without blowing a gasket!!! Sing a ballad or two.  THEN wail like a banshee!

    Bob

     

  • Great topic...

    Until recently, I too was losing my top/upper mid range during a gig because I was singing too hard and we are a blues/funk/rock band and get carried away. As soon as I switched to in-ear monitors, I no longer strain my voice.

    Usually after gigs, the next day my voice sounds froggy/deeper than normal. I always try to do a vocal workout the very next day after a gig and every single time, my voice is like a howitzer (unless I strained it the night before, which doesn't happen much now.) I don't know why the voice is so strong the day after the gig, but it is.

    Now where I am getting into trouble is during rehearsals. During shows, we use a powered speaker/passive amp system and mic all our instruments and run it through the board. This way we get a great sound and I can get a nice mix in my ear monitors. At rehearsals, the guy who owns the PA system doesn't want to schlep it, so we use a different system with powered board and passive speakers, we don't mic the instruments and I use a floor wedge monitor. And - you guessed it - between loudness, feedback etc...I usually find myself starting to strain my voice and like Bob says, it only takes a few seconds and your high range is gone for the evening.

    Hope this helps.

    Bill


  • streeterstreeter Posts: 611Moderator, Pro
    @joyce

    Light tongue exercise and lip rolls. you may need to do them for an extended period of time. dedicate 20+ minutes and see how it feels.
  • My voice is usually fine after gigs (3 full sets of an hour). I refuse to shout over the band (been there done that) and will tell them to turn down. I refuse to hurt my voice.

    @Joyce I had the same thing happen to me with another band. I've tried chewing baby asprin to help with the swelling in my cords because I heard that worked. I also used Fisherman's friend cough drops. I find that tea with honey in it works wonders or throat coat tea. The only thing that really seemed to help was time and unfortunately not singing or talking.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 84Member, Enrolled
    We're a dance party band. So like, I dance and sing...and interact with the crowd.

    I never lose my voice. I just can't vocalize certain parts of my range lightly; I'd have to force it, and I refuse to do that. So Basically just wait till I've had something to eat and some liquids and then I start trilling. When she's ready, she comes back and I can do the whole range scale lightly; by the time the gig starts up, I've got my radio announcer voice back and it's full throttle. day after day two, is usually better, because I think that I'm tired so I pace myself a little more. But like yesterday for instance I didnt' want to make any noises that weren't necessary. No pain mind you...just tired and feeling uneasy about the sounds of my voice when above a speaking voice. 

    But, then like today, though I can sense that I should not start wailing, I feel like I could warm up and vocalize some songs for practice. Anyways, just trying to get some feedback from other singers. I'm a cover band we play 4 hours a night and this past weekend we played a two nighter.
  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    My voice seems to get more free and I can lighten up by the end of a night. I've really worked at conserving and pacing myself during a show. It may sound fatigued depending on the gig circumstances. Late nights loud rooms talking to fans wears me out more than the actual singing.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 84Member, Enrolled
    sspatrick said:
    My voice seems to get more free and I can lighten up by the end of a night. I've really worked at conserving and pacing myself during a show. It may sound fatigued depending on the gig circumstances. Late nights loud rooms talking to fans wears me out more than the actual singing.
    SAME WITH ME!!!
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 84Member, Enrolled
    I think I've learned tonight that I'm wailing all night long. I need to pull way back on my hard rock songs and see if I can maintain a good sound without pushing so hard.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 84Member, Enrolled
    So I sang Friday night and I used my in-ears. I messed up my words a bunch...but, I didn't sing quite as hard. And to be honest, I liked it alot better. I've not listened to the recording for pitch, but my voice was fine the next day. No froggy whatsoever.
  • Yes monitoring is always an issue, especially here in KL, however many times I ask for 1 monitor each and the time we go through soundcheck, 9 out of 10 engineers here do not know what they are doing... When the vocals in the monitors are too quiet, it definitely requires more conscious attention to not singing too loud to compensate, so over the years I've tried to get used to how my voice should FEEL inside when I'm singing correctly. Having said that, I'd rather be spending my mental capacity on performance rather than trying to hear myself. And yes, the singing too hard can be tempting - once I started pulling back a bit and really enjoying the voice I got more compliments for the singing, and not just my idiotic onstage performance hehe.
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  • @billthebaldguy
    Yes it does help. I am finding myself today in that situation, my upper range has gone due to intensive rehearsal yesterday, I could not hear myself, the band was playing too loud.

    I am furious, the concert is in two days, I have to perform 3 songs including one very high ranged. What can I do to get my voice back quickly?

    Many thanks for help.
  • Before I picked up the course, My voice would start to break up by about the 3rd set, part of it was from poor planning of songs, the other part was me belting all the time to hear myself, so by the end of the night, I was close to losing my voice. now, not so much, I still have my moments, but a lot of that has to do with my monitor.
  • In-ear monitoring is invaluable - it does wonders for your voice, especially on small stages with bad acoustics. Although I sing in a style similar to Marilyn Manson, I've never lost my voice due to good technique. Even if you are screaming, it shouldn't be a strain. If it is, you need to check your technique - and do Ken's course!
  • great thread... does anyone have any recommendations for in-ear monitors.. all the ones I've looked into are over $700... is this about right?
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