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I'm considering the program but . . .

I've had a chance to listen to some of KTVA program (via a friend, who no longer sings) and there's something that stuck out to me immediately. In many of these exercises Ken goes into head voice and that has me thinking: Since I can't do a connected solid head voice (beginner), and the program doesn't get to head voice until much later, what do I do with the bulk of head voice material meanwhile? By watching his stuff on youtube (and a little in the program) it's clear he want's us to build a solid chest voice before getting into head, but in the excises he definitely makes use of head, very often, and it requires a solid head connection to finish some of these exercises. It just seems strange to me that you seemingly have to know how do it, yet have to wait until the program gets into teaching head voice to actually do it. Volume 2, track 22 dudes, is great example of what I'm talking about. I'm simply not going to able to do such an exercise without knowing how to execute a solid head voice first, so how would I ever move forward?

What am I not getting?

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  • HuduVuduHuduVudu 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,713
    This is going to be difficult to answer because you are outside the student area of the forums, and you won't really have a way to access the student areas unless you buy the course.

    With that said let me try to tip toe around this to give you an answer that might encourage you to look into buying the course.

    The course is designed such that you come to it with what you have. I myself had absolutely zero head voice, but because of what I learned in the course I was able to build that head voice. The course is as Ken says it is, a step by step guide to how to properly sing. There are many layers that need to be built to have a solid singing voice and the course covers each of these in turn. It is important that when you come to the course that you commit to doing the course as it is laid out. It is a bit of a leap of faith that you will get to the other side and have accomplished the feat of learning to sing. There are many testimonials that you can see (on the YouTube channel) and also that you can't see (in the student areas) to the fact that the course as it is laid out works.

    If you come to the course with per-determined ideas you are going to have a hard time. If you follow the course as outlined you are going to get what Ken promises.

    I hope that is enough information to help you understand how the course works. I am sorry I am not really able to answer your specific question, but suffice it to say that the course does address what you are asking about and provides specific steps to dealing with it.

    Luck on your singing journey.
  • highmtnhighmtn Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro Posts: 14,700
    To answer a part of your question, the manual for Volume 1 tells you that on Day One you will be singing and bridging into head voice. You will also be singing and stretching your chest voice. On day one. And you will be doing both of those things for a long time. Eventually you will reach a point where you will be ready to move to a different gear of head voice. But that doesn't happen on day one. On day one you just bridge into vanilla head voice like you always have, or learn to do so on that day. There are many things to master before you go to reinforced head voice.
  • If you're serious about learning to sing, end the mystery. Get the course.

    I've been a musician for 43 years, and this course was the best investment I've had musically in 20 years.

    Peace, Tony
  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,004
    edited December 2018
    @FrensieTeuling personally I couldn´t do head voice or mix before this program I could belt fairly high but my voice would get tired very quick, when I started the course my head voice was completely atrophied because I never used it, so it has been a journey but I did ALL the programs before that, SLS, Both Brett manning and Seth Riggs version which are the same just Brett manning goes down in the scales and Seth only goes up, that means more cds, Mark Baxter´Singer´s survival manual, Roger Love´s Set your voice free, Robert Lunte´s Pillars of singing, Melissa Cross´s Zen of screaming, Musicians Institute Rock vocals and vocal technique etc etc etc, with this im not gonna say SOME of the info of this programs you´ll find might make you feel some progress, you´ll have to figure out what works and what does not by your self and still you wont find the WHOLE THING even buying all those programs together, they are Way way way far from KTVA program, and I know I sound like a sales man, hahaha

    1 they dont show you correct support if they happen to show any
    2 they dont show you open throat technique
    Which will develop the growth of your voice
    3 the way speech level singing works and any of the programs above will atrophy your voice with time, because if you happen to have your passaggio developed, your voice will weaken as you age and the strength and coordination of sls is not enough to sustain it as you age, the voice will atrophy and its gonna be even harder to recover it, this means its not even beneficial to the voice long term!
    4 because of the system has a lack of support your voice will never grow as it should , so you wont be able to Belt and any register will grow as it should and wont know how to maintain the the vocal tract open in hard vowel transitions or hard Consonants

    5 they dont show you vowel modifications and will again close your space as you go higher and will not be able to maintain correctly in one register or bridge correctly without sounding pinched and btw that also hurts your voice

    I would NOT recommend any other program to anyone
    ONLY KTVA
    case closed

    hope I was of help
  • highmtnhighmtn Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro Posts: 14,700
    I bought every one of the programs that Gaston listed plus more. They were all a waste of time and money. Then I found KTVA and haven't looked back since. KTVA was neither a waste of time nor money. It was a great investment in myself. My regret is that I sat on the fence for so long before pulling the trigger and buying it. That was all time I could have been making actual progress.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management Posts: 3,781
    My best investment ever - too! It just works PERIOD
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management Posts: 3,781
    Hi @FrensieTeuling,

    so take you time to decide. Personally, I would be happy to be able to welcome you here as a fellow student one day.

    Doc
  • Hey Teuling,

    Yes, I can tell that I will be seeing you here shortly as a student.

    I did the same before coming here. I spent about 6 months researching other programs, coaches, etc......, and this course was the clear choice as I'm sure you are also seeing.

    All I can tell you is that the course actually does what it advertises, and with that........I'll be seeing you shortly my friend.

    Peace, Tony
  • bentkbentk Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,234
    Just wanted to come here and say that KTVA is awesome. I haven't been through all these other courses, but there is no need. Everything is explained in KTVA. You will learn amazing technique, but it takes a lot of effort and time. It doesn't come overnight.

    Everything in KTVA is explained and demonstrated. Loads of students also show off their ability to sing after working with KTVA. It's not about sounding exactly like Ken, it's about having amazing technique and tone. Which you can clearly here from his students as well.

    So this is the thing i like the most with KTVA. There is pretty much no stone unturned. Plus, the forum is an amazing place for whenever you need help/want to read more/participate in discussion etc. I highly recommend it.

    It's great to hear you settled on this method. I hope you stick with it and gain just as much from it, and even more, than i did.

    All the best,

    Ben
  • SophiaSophia Moderator, 2.0 PRO Posts: 724
    @FrensieTeuling I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience. Please ask the person who gifted you the course to forward their receipt to [email protected], and assign you access to the student areas (unless they've already done this for themselves). We can help you in detail there and get you past these initial stumbling blocks. Spending over a year on just two warm-up exercises is no good.

    FYI, no one pays for access to the forums. The course is designed to be stand-alone. The forums are a freebie paid for entirely by Ken, and are not part of the course package. The forums are here as a place for support, and because we discuss course material in detail, different sections are available depending on the parts of the course someone has purchased. I don't see how any of that is "pretty messed up".
  • HuduVuduHuduVudu 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,713
    ... because as far as I can tell they have done zero for my actual singing and I'm not getting any younger.
    You do not understand what they are for. They are very important for you to understand how to properly cut down your air when you sing. This protects your vocal chords from drying out and keeps you practicing longer because the pain from the dryness is going to slow you down.
    Surly there are good singers that don't bother with this right?
    There are and now they don't sing. Why? Because their voices are trashed.
    Basically you get the core, and you're left to figure out the rest on your own.
    Perhaps you expect the vocal coach to reach into your throat and adjust your vocal chords so that you understand, or maybe the vocal coach should push and pull the various muscles in abdomen so that you can get breathing. I think if you have to deal with the pelvic floor you will need another type of profession to deal with that.
    In fact in the first scale video in volume 3 of 2.0 he says he's not going to explain because he already did in the arpeggio section,
    So after two volumes of explaining and providing foundational education you want a refresher in the third volume? Maybe you should go back and redo the first two volumes so that you can understand the basics. I know this is crazy to ask of a student ... but there, I said it.
    I also notice that many of the audio excises are more or less just copied and pasted from 1.0 to 2.0 and don't really match the video content which is my overall problem with the course.
    So an update to the course should be all brand new material totally and completely different? Pretty sure most opera singers would disagree with this sentiment.
    I can slide through the passaggio evenly up to a E5-G5 (and pretty loud when fully warmed up) and back down and I stretched my chest voice up to a A4-B4 so far but only on the basic AH, AA, ect vowels, again because it's actually explained. If I try do it on a scale, which is not explained, forget about it, no go.
    I see so you don't really have the course you are just here to make the course look bad. You thought you divined how the course would work by the YouTube videos, hilariously you are wrong. It's a shame that others that don't have the course can't see how very badly you are wrong.
    Wasted opportunity, planed money grab? IDK.
    Definitely not a shill? Who paid you and how much was this piece of tripe you put up. If I were the person that paid you I would want my money back, because my gawd this is too obvious.
    To finish, I just can't pay the outrageous amount of money being asked for forum access alone
    I guess free is a pretty stiff price to pay for forum access, I wouldn't pay it either.
    I can't believe the forum is actually tiered, even to people who payed for forum access, that's pretty messed up imo.
    Once again ... shill, could you be any more obvious?

    I don't know why people do this. This just makes me sad to know that there are people out there willing to do disgusting things for a pittance.
  • shiningshining 2.0 PRO Posts: 96

    and honestly had I paid for this program instead of being gifted

    So I guess you were not "gifted" the program but had a pirated copy without having paid for. Otherwise you would have had access to the forum... ? Because the access included with the packages.

    And it seems that whoever gave you the copy, did not give you all the stuff. You should blame that person and not the ktva program *lol So in this case I would say... you get what you (have not) pay for... nothing :smiley:






  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,004
    To all who read that guy.... Wow just wow with that troll, really surprised how someone can spend so much time trying to disarm the program, when honestly the 2.0 version is the most patiently explained program ive ever seen and even i think in real life, with any teacher ive studied, and trust me ive gone with many, no one has taken the time to explain so much the vowels like Ken, there is so much info and so many hours in the program, i cant even start to understand this guy, its obvious he got it for free and not the entire thing, otherwise he would have the whole thing, and would have gotten in the forum fully, which as i can read that wasnt the case, cause he got it for free, Guys, im gonna say it again, there is NOT a better program, im sorry, im not talking just because, i do not get paid for saying it, KTVA is the best program out there, period, ive tried them ALL, i ve seen all these reaction vocal coaches from youtubers and I LAUGH cause there is nothing in there, only “good head voice” “oh he did a mix right there” Ken does an amazing job on explaining all the fundamentals on singing intermidium and ADVANCED in the program, and the webinars he has on youtube they are Golden but its so good, that people cant even grasp a thing, cause there are so many pseudo vocal coaches out there that none can Take the time, to spend 20 min every day (which still would be poor investment, you need an hour minimum) of discipline because of all that “ sing high in 5 min”, guys you need to work put the voice, i cant even understand how someone can troll the program, its like a saying i read: “i dont have haters, i just have frustrated fans” well there you go, some KTVA frustrated fans sneaking in the ktva forums, thats what they are, i have to speak the truth guys there are no skips you gotta do the work and understand what you are doing

    Gaston
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