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Next time you're feeling "too old" to sing or perform - read this.

NigelNigel Posts: 138Administrator
Hey guys,

I have this discussion with Ken on a semi regular basis, how age relates to the ability to perform.  Well, even though I can't sing my way out of a paper bag (I'm just the web guy and administrator) I have been in the music business as a photographer for a long time and one of my favorite bands is Motorhead.

Before you laugh, I want you to check out their tour schedule and remember that lead vocalist and bassist Lemmy is 66 years old and tours around the world continually and records a new album every two years.  Also remember that his style of "singing" is extremely stressful.

Just remember, you are never too old - check out tour schedule, current and past:  Motorhead Tour Schedule

I hope you get a chuckle and some motivation from this :)



  • KokonuhtKokonuht Posts: 658Member, Enrolled
    edited March 2012
    Hahaha thanks for the info Nigel! I'll read this in another 48 years :P! Though this does motivate the younger ones to not give up!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,912Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    So, Nigel, was one of those full-body Motorhead Tattoos you?


  • NigelNigel Posts: 138Administrator
    Bob,  sssshhhhh!
  • ronwsronws Posts: 43Member
    I'm kind of an old guy (my birthday is Monday March 19.) But my voice sounds as young as it ever did. If I sing like I am supposed to sing and work with my voice, instead of against it, I sound young, indeed.

    However, I may never get to be the "rock star." I have responsibilities and can't just live on the road like the 20-somethings that are starting bands, as they have always done.

    And my voice doesn't fit anyone's "sound." I sing just fine in public and have done so many times and recieved applause. And no one is looking for me. And this is not self-pity. If anything, I can get away with being stubborn (family trait. We could teach mules how to be "stubborn.") I just keep doing what I am doing for my own enjoyment, which is how I think it ought to be, whether one is famous or not.

    And my aim is to keep my voice sounding just as young for the next 30 years or so.

    Lemmy - a force of nature. He never tries to put on an effect. He is what he is. And breaks the "rules." Smokes, drinks Black Jack and Coca-Cola. He let his voice be his guide and that's another valuable lesson, I think. Lemmy's not too old to sing. And neither am I.
  • dingodingo Posts: 119Enrolled
    Thanks. I needed this today.

    There are quite a few in their 60s still touring. It's great.
  • PeteMurphyPeteMurphy Posts: 95Enrolled
    Also check out Doug Pinnick from Kings X. He's in his 60's and his voice is amazing - so soulful, but he can also scream with the best of 'em. His range is phenomenal!
  • jpachecolmjpachecolm Posts: 40Enrolled, 2.0 PRO
    I love this topic. As an oldster too, early 40's, I run into the you're too old to be playing that music thing. I keep my body in good shape and my mind as well. I will not succumb to the "too old" tag. I may never be a star, but if I can continue to do what I love and enjoy it, I'm all for it.
  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    Well, guys'n'galls, seems I am the eldest one starting to study at KTVA... 49... Last March I desided to do couple things to avoid depression - began collecting counting jettons and take vocal lessons. My teacher is a great guy - he loves teaching and he's doing it in the right way and he explaned a lot about support and all. When some time ago I foung Ken's lesson about the way Dio sings - I said WOW - I can gain a lot. So I've just started and I like it. So - it is never late to start nevermind reasons. Good luck to everybody!
  • NigelNigel Posts: 138Administrator
    Hey there, FarawayGuy, welcome to KTVA!

     You're a young one, the guy below has you beat by 20 years :)  

    Check out KTVA vocalist Tony Moran in Liverpool - he's 70 and is doing great, he owns a guitar shop.  He's one of those guys that just blows it for anyone wanting to complain about being old and not being able to start singing!

  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    edited January 2013
    Hi, Nigel! Oh! That's really cool! I would not give the guy more than 50! Thanks for the link - now I feel like a youngster!
  • DavidGDavidG Posts: 65Pro

    I'm 52,  - hope that helps

  • MichaelSMichaelS Posts: 73Pro

    Another great guy:

    Tom Jones: 'Burning Hell' Live Session

    P.S. How  you are doing the youtube videos built in the page?

  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    edited January 2013
    @MichaelS Tom is perfect, as usual! I do love his songs!
  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    @DavidG that's good - we have a team of oldsters here! Well, well, well! Then: Show must go on! :)
  • DavidGDavidG Posts: 65Pro
    @FarawayGuy ha! -  having said that - there's no guarantee that I'll act my age! :)
  • Hi Guys
    Theres,s hope for me yet!! I,m 69 in 3 weeks. Rock on. I say
  • JoyceJoyce Posts: 130Pro
    Hello there,
    I'am 54 and when I sing I still catch some admiring looks coming from younger singers.... I'am so proud of myself ....and it seems that the more I work my voice with KTVA, the more it sounds great..

  • deyjeydeyjey Posts: 29Pro
    im 29 and started singing 3years ago now im planning to study piano and more vocals so i can teach after 5years maybe.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,912Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited November 2016

    There is definitely hope for you. Keep on Rockin'!

  • viniciusoliveiraviniciusoliveira Posts: 303Enrolled
    I keep wondering why the vocals of Robert Plant and Geddy Lee sound way lower than when them were young.
    I don't think it has only to do with aging.
    That guy from lover boy,Michael jackson and Anthony green always sounded the same.
  • ebackeback Posts: 6Member, 2.0 PRO
    I'm turning 62 and have played guitar all my life. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to sing very well at all. At this point in life, with a few years until retirement, I'd like to develop a sufficiently competent singing voice, to be able to do well at open mics, cafes, church, and informal get-togethers. I was playing through Paul McCartney's "Bluebird" this afternoon and found that my problem areas were cracking between chest and head, incorrect pitch at times, and weak/wimpy quality of sound. Thinking of recording myself now with a followup in three months. Good idea?
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,912Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    Yes. Good idea. Keep doing a recording every 3 months. Then compare in a year. You'll notice even more by then.
  • olskoololskool Posts: 68Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Yeah, keeping a log will keep your enthusiasm up. Try and not miss a day and don't push yourself too hard either. It will all work out. Improvements are always gradual, but that's the best way forward. Wish you all the best.
  • AlyonaAlyona Posts: 288Member, Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Oh yes I agree. My dad is almost 70 - he's touring all over the country like crazy, records his songs at home when he's not on tours)))
  • Furious_PhilFurious_Phil Posts: 1,187Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    @highmtn, Last month I followed your advice and I did a dry a Capella recording of a couple of pieces by Ray Gillen and Robert Mason. I kept it simple by going straight into an iPhone to bide my time while I was waiting for a ride.
    It will be interesting to do them (or something similar come the end of March B)
  • JoyceJoyce Posts: 130Pro
    Hi guys!

    I am looking for female older singers who still sing and peform in front of an audience. Except Aretha Franklin, who else do you know? I need models, I have the intention to perform when I retire, I have a dream...
  • Furious_PhilFurious_Phil Posts: 1,187Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO

    How about Bonnie Raitt, Barbra Streisand, Dionne Warwick...
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,788Pro, 2.0 PRO
    I cant tell if you are asking about the mature female singers here at our forum, or if you are asking for mature singers that are popular in the industry so................

    There are other mature women who are also students that sing and perform.
    As far as successful female artists go..............

    Pat Benetar - Tina Turner - Celine Dion - Stevie Nicks - Reba McCintyre - Dolly Parton - Natalie Cole - Ann Wilson

  • JoyceJoyce Posts: 130Pro
    Oops! Natalie Cole passed away last year!

    Thanks a lot @Furious_Phil and @videoace , yes I like Pat Benatar, she still rocks!!
  • rickhodge88rickhodge88 Posts: 10STREAMING PRO
    I’m 42 and I’ve had it in my mind that my voice has been on the decline because of my age but just by watching some of the YouTube clips and implementing and practicing what Ken teaches in them I noticed almost immediate differences. I just joined the academy April 1 so I’m looking forward to seeing how far this will help me grow my voice. Glad to be here!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 13,912Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    The longer you stick with it, the more your voice will continue to strengthen and grow.
  • SongwriterXSongwriterX Posts: 5STREAMING PRO
    Yeah I'm getting up there in age and even though I took years of voice lessons when I was much younger I was 'losing it', could feel myself going backwards. I started with Ken in January and now I'm going forward again, my voice getting better and better. Can't wait to see where I'm at in 6 months!
  • AlyonaAlyona Posts: 288Member, Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
  • MikeRoyMikeRoy Posts: 42.0 PRO
    I’m 62. I’ve been singing since I was 6 or so. I’ll stop when I die.
  • dekkdekk Posts: 42.0 PRO
    I turn the big 3-0 in a week and I've often caught myself thinking I'm too old to "succeed" in music since even though I've been working on it since I was in high school. "Whoops, you missed your chance! Time to burn down your studio room and take up shuffleboard."

    But then I realize that if I didn't have the ability to make music, I wouldn't be living the life I want to live. I'd be miserable. So whether or not there's any measurable standard of success I can achieve, I take solace in the fact that no matter what, I'll be making music anyway. It's unavoidable and it's the root goal in itself. If I won the lottery I'd go out the next day and buy more gear.

    When you take the element of choice out of it and just realize that no matter what, your passion will make itself a part of your life, the stress of being too old for anything goes away.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 4962.0 PRO
    Oh boy, @dekk,

    I turned the big 4-0 ... I think ... let's guess ... uoh ... (please don't tell anyone) 8 years ago. Thanks god I started singing several months ago. This will take me alive. :D

    Greetings from Germany,
  • videoacevideoace Posts: 1,788Pro, 2.0 PRO
    The big 3-0? I wish I could be 30 again (then again.....maybe not) lol.

    I'm 54, and there are people in their 60s, and maybe 70s here so it's never too late.

    Making it, and success. What exactly does it mean for each individual?
    For me, being able to complete a really good song is success. If I can get people to listen to it without using a firearm, even better! ha ha.
    I'm not really sure if I equate getting rich, and famous as "making it". Becoming "rich, and famous" has ruined a lot of peoples lives for one reason or another.

    Peace, Tony
  • dekkdekk Posts: 42.0 PRO
    videoace said:

    I'm not really sure if I equate getting rich, and famous as "making it". Becoming "rich, and famous" has ruined a lot of peoples lives for one reason or another.

    Yup, it's true. Whenever I get caught up in thinking of "success" as an external factor, I remind myself that the only definition of success that matters is my own - and I'm a far better musician now than I was ten years ago, so it's hard to see anything but happiness in that and even better "success" in the future.
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 1102.0 PRO
    edited November 14
    Well I'm 44 don't drink or smoke, I eat well and keep fit with regular execise alongside my vocals to help build strength. 3 weeks in the KTVA course and noticing improvements across the board.

    I think if you make the right choices in health and fitness. Can help maintain and grow the voice better when you get older. I know a singer who is 70 and has good tone and can reach the high notes as well. I think he would benefit from this course and have mentioned to him.

    This course gave me hope because though it was too late for me to become a singer and now here really enjoying the journey.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 4962.0 PRO
    Hi George ( @Vocality ),

    it is great to meet you here and there (Youtube Live Streams). It is so good to see that you are willing to help other singers. Please stay with it. I have noticed that I am the one who benefits the most from answering questions from other colleagues. You will benefit, too. It is very cool to see how colleagues like @Michael4000 or @Dynaton progress through perfect practice - as Ken calls it.

    And I can read in and between the lines you write that you are already progressing. Just stay with us. You will progress.

    Greetings from Germany to our scottish friends,
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 1102.0 PRO
    Hi @doc_ramadani

    Great to hear from you again really amazed at the progress so far gonna up load another lah triad towards end of this week for a progress indicator. Sorted out the lip burble opening the chest 1/2 to 3/4 full, diaphram and breath made all the difference.

    Still to be mindful of the check list.

    KTVA Forums are really helpful especially when starting out, I don't want to take a wrong turn and keep going. Some of those demo videos more advanced students post can answer alot of questions and act as a good guide.

    Kind Regards

  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 4962.0 PRO
    Hi George,

    so good to hear from you. Yes, I was amazed myself how much progress I made within the first weeks ... and then ... oh, while getting better ... I figured out so many things that I could be able to do much better. And, guess what, I got better! :-)

    And you will be too.


    PS.: Looking forward to your next upload.

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