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Next time you're feeling "too old" to sing or perform - read this.

NigelNigel Posts: 138Administrator
Hey guys,

I have this discussion with Ken on a semi regular basis, how age relates to the ability to perform.  Well, even though I can't sing my way out of a paper bag (I'm just the web guy and administrator) I have been in the music business as a photographer for a long time and one of my favorite bands is Motorhead.

Before you laugh, I want you to check out their tour schedule and remember that lead vocalist and bassist Lemmy is 66 years old and tours around the world continually and records a new album every two years.  Also remember that his style of "singing" is extremely stressful.

Just remember, you are never too old - check out tour schedule, current and past:  Motorhead Tour Schedule

I hope you get a chuckle and some motivation from this :)

Nigel

Comments

  • KokonuhtKokonuht Posts: 658Member, Enrolled
    edited March 2012
    Hahaha thanks for the info Nigel! I'll read this in another 48 years :P! Though this does motivate the younger ones to not give up!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 14,487Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    So, Nigel, was one of those full-body Motorhead Tattoos you?

    Bob

  • NigelNigel Posts: 138Administrator
    Bob,  sssshhhhh!
  • ronwsronws Posts: 43Member
    I'm kind of an old guy (my birthday is Monday March 19.) But my voice sounds as young as it ever did. If I sing like I am supposed to sing and work with my voice, instead of against it, I sound young, indeed.

    However, I may never get to be the "rock star." I have responsibilities and can't just live on the road like the 20-somethings that are starting bands, as they have always done.

    And my voice doesn't fit anyone's "sound." I sing just fine in public and have done so many times and recieved applause. And no one is looking for me. And this is not self-pity. If anything, I can get away with being stubborn (family trait. We could teach mules how to be "stubborn.") I just keep doing what I am doing for my own enjoyment, which is how I think it ought to be, whether one is famous or not.

    And my aim is to keep my voice sounding just as young for the next 30 years or so.

    Lemmy - a force of nature. He never tries to put on an effect. He is what he is. And breaks the "rules." Smokes, drinks Black Jack and Coca-Cola. He let his voice be his guide and that's another valuable lesson, I think. Lemmy's not too old to sing. And neither am I.
  • dingodingo Posts: 119Enrolled
    Thanks. I needed this today.

    There are quite a few in their 60s still touring. It's great.
  • PeteMurphyPeteMurphy Posts: 95Enrolled
    Also check out Doug Pinnick from Kings X. He's in his 60's and his voice is amazing - so soulful, but he can also scream with the best of 'em. His range is phenomenal!
  • jpachecolmjpachecolm Posts: 40Enrolled, 2.0 PRO
    I love this topic. As an oldster too, early 40's, I run into the you're too old to be playing that music thing. I keep my body in good shape and my mind as well. I will not succumb to the "too old" tag. I may never be a star, but if I can continue to do what I love and enjoy it, I'm all for it.
  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    Well, guys'n'galls, seems I am the eldest one starting to study at KTVA... 49... Last March I desided to do couple things to avoid depression - began collecting counting jettons and take vocal lessons. My teacher is a great guy - he loves teaching and he's doing it in the right way and he explaned a lot about support and all. When some time ago I foung Ken's lesson about the way Dio sings - I said WOW - I can gain a lot. So I've just started and I like it. So - it is never late to start nevermind reasons. Good luck to everybody!
  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    edited January 2013
    Hi, Nigel! Oh! That's really cool! I would not give the guy more than 50! Thanks for the link - now I feel like a youngster!
  • DavidGDavidG Posts: 65Pro
    FarawayGuy

    I'm 52,  - hope that helps


  • MichaelSMichaelS Posts: 73Pro

    Another great guy:

    Tom Jones: 'Burning Hell' Live Session

    P.S. How  you are doing the youtube videos built in the page?


  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    edited January 2013
    @MichaelS Tom is perfect, as usual! I do love his songs!
  • FarawayGuyFarawayGuy Posts: 38Pro
    @DavidG that's good - we have a team of oldsters here! Well, well, well! Then: Show must go on! :)
  • DavidGDavidG Posts: 65Pro
    @FarawayGuy ha! -  having said that - there's no guarantee that I'll act my age! :)
  • Hi Guys
    Theres,s hope for me yet!! I,m 69 in 3 weeks. Rock on. I say
    Alan
  • JoyceJoyce Posts: 130Pro
    Hello there,
    I'am 54 and when I sing I still catch some admiring looks coming from younger singers.... I'am so proud of myself ....and it seems that the more I work my voice with KTVA, the more it sounds great..

  • deyjeydeyjey Posts: 29Pro
    im 29 and started singing 3years ago now im planning to study piano and more vocals so i can teach after 5years maybe.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 14,487Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited November 2016
    @Alan_Homent,

    There is definitely hope for you. Keep on Rockin'!
    :^)

    Bob
  • viniciusoliveiraviniciusoliveira Posts: 303Enrolled
    I keep wondering why the vocals of Robert Plant and Geddy Lee sound way lower than when them were young.
    I don't think it has only to do with aging.
    That guy from lover boy,Michael jackson and Anthony green always sounded the same.
  • ebackeback Posts: 6Member, 2.0 PRO
    I'm turning 62 and have played guitar all my life. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to sing very well at all. At this point in life, with a few years until retirement, I'd like to develop a sufficiently competent singing voice, to be able to do well at open mics, cafes, church, and informal get-togethers. I was playing through Paul McCartney's "Bluebird" this afternoon and found that my problem areas were cracking between chest and head, incorrect pitch at times, and weak/wimpy quality of sound. Thinking of recording myself now with a followup in three months. Good idea?
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 14,487Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    Yes. Good idea. Keep doing a recording every 3 months. Then compare in a year. You'll notice even more by then.
  • olskoololskool Posts: 68Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Yeah, keeping a log will keep your enthusiasm up. Try and not miss a day and don't push yourself too hard either. It will all work out. Improvements are always gradual, but that's the best way forward. Wish you all the best.
  • AlyonaAlyona Posts: 288Member, Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    Oh yes I agree. My dad is almost 70 - he's touring all over the country like crazy, records his songs at home when he's not on tours)))
  • Furious_PhilFurious_Phil Posts: 1,282Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    @highmtn, Last month I followed your advice and I did a dry a Capella recording of a couple of pieces by Ray Gillen and Robert Mason. I kept it simple by going straight into an iPhone to bide my time while I was waiting for a ride.
    It will be interesting to do them (or something similar come the end of March B)
  • JoyceJoyce Posts: 130Pro
    Hi guys!

    I am looking for female older singers who still sing and peform in front of an audience. Except Aretha Franklin, who else do you know? I need models, I have the intention to perform when I retire, I have a dream...
  • Furious_PhilFurious_Phil Posts: 1,282Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
    @Joyce,

    How about Bonnie Raitt, Barbra Streisand, Dionne Warwick...
  • I cant tell if you are asking about the mature female singers here at our forum, or if you are asking for mature singers that are popular in the industry so................

    There are other mature women who are also students that sing and perform.
    As far as successful female artists go..............

    Pat Benetar - Tina Turner - Celine Dion - Stevie Nicks - Reba McCintyre - Dolly Parton - Natalie Cole - Ann Wilson


  • JoyceJoyce Posts: 130Pro
    Oops! Natalie Cole passed away last year!

    Thanks a lot @Furious_Phil and @videoace , yes I like Pat Benatar, she still rocks!!
  • rickhodge88rickhodge88 Posts: 10STREAMING PRO
    I’m 42 and I’ve had it in my mind that my voice has been on the decline because of my age but just by watching some of the YouTube clips and implementing and practicing what Ken teaches in them I noticed almost immediate differences. I just joined the academy April 1 so I’m looking forward to seeing how far this will help me grow my voice. Glad to be here!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 14,487Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    @rickhodge88,
    The longer you stick with it, the more your voice will continue to strengthen and grow.
  • SongwriterXSongwriterX Posts: 5STREAMING PRO
    Yeah I'm getting up there in age and even though I took years of voice lessons when I was much younger I was 'losing it', could feel myself going backwards. I started with Ken in January and now I'm going forward again, my voice getting better and better. Can't wait to see where I'm at in 6 months!
  • AlyonaAlyona Posts: 288Member, Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO
  • MikeRoyMikeRoy Posts: 42.0 PRO
    I’m 62. I’ve been singing since I was 6 or so. I’ll stop when I die.
  • dekkdekk Posts: 42.0 PRO
    I turn the big 3-0 in a week and I've often caught myself thinking I'm too old to "succeed" in music since even though I've been working on it since I was in high school. "Whoops, you missed your chance! Time to burn down your studio room and take up shuffleboard."

    But then I realize that if I didn't have the ability to make music, I wouldn't be living the life I want to live. I'd be miserable. So whether or not there's any measurable standard of success I can achieve, I take solace in the fact that no matter what, I'll be making music anyway. It's unavoidable and it's the root goal in itself. If I won the lottery I'd go out the next day and buy more gear.

    When you take the element of choice out of it and just realize that no matter what, your passion will make itself a part of your life, the stress of being too old for anything goes away.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 2,012Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management
    Oh boy, @dekk,

    I turned the big 4-0 ... I think ... let's guess ... uoh ... (please don't tell anyone) 8 years ago. Thanks god I started singing several months ago. This will take me alive. :D

    Greetings from Germany,
    Doc
  • The big 3-0? I wish I could be 30 again (then again.....maybe not) lol.

    I'm 54, and there are people in their 60s, and maybe 70s here so it's never too late.

    Making it, and success. What exactly does it mean for each individual?
    For me, being able to complete a really good song is success. If I can get people to listen to it without using a firearm, even better! ha ha.
    I'm not really sure if I equate getting rich, and famous as "making it". Becoming "rich, and famous" has ruined a lot of peoples lives for one reason or another.

    Peace, Tony
  • dekkdekk Posts: 42.0 PRO
    videoace said:

    I'm not really sure if I equate getting rich, and famous as "making it". Becoming "rich, and famous" has ruined a lot of peoples lives for one reason or another.

    Yup, it's true. Whenever I get caught up in thinking of "success" as an external factor, I remind myself that the only definition of success that matters is my own - and I'm a far better musician now than I was ten years ago, so it's hard to see anything but happiness in that and even better "success" in the future.
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    edited November 2018
    Well I'm 44 don't drink or smoke, I eat well and keep fit with regular execise alongside my vocals to help build strength. 3 weeks in the KTVA course and noticing improvements across the board.

    I think if you make the right choices in health and fitness. Can help maintain and grow the voice better when you get older. I know a singer who is 70 and has good tone and can reach the high notes as well. I think he would benefit from this course and have mentioned to him.

    This course gave me hope because though it was too late for me to become a singer and now here really enjoying the journey.
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 2,012Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management
    Hi George ( @Vocality ),

    it is great to meet you here and there (Youtube Live Streams). It is so good to see that you are willing to help other singers. Please stay with it. I have noticed that I am the one who benefits the most from answering questions from other colleagues. You will benefit, too. It is very cool to see how colleagues like @Michael4000 or @Dynaton progress through perfect practice - as Ken calls it.

    And I can read in and between the lines you write that you are already progressing. Just stay with us. You will progress.

    Greetings from Germany to our scottish friends,
    Doc
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    Hi @doc_ramadani

    Great to hear from you again really amazed at the progress so far gonna up load another lah triad towards end of this week for a progress indicator. Sorted out the lip burble opening the chest 1/2 to 3/4 full, diaphram and breath made all the difference.

    Still to be mindful of the check list.

    KTVA Forums are really helpful especially when starting out, I don't want to take a wrong turn and keep going. Some of those demo videos more advanced students post can answer alot of questions and act as a good guide.

    Kind Regards
    Doc





  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 2,012Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management
    Hi George,

    so good to hear from you. Yes, I was amazed myself how much progress I made within the first weeks ... and then ... oh, while getting better ... I figured out so many things that I could be able to do much better. And, guess what, I got better! :-)

    And you will be too.

    Cheers,
    Doc

    PS.: Looking forward to your next upload.

  • LoneWolfRogueLoneWolfRogue Posts: 2002.0 PRO
    But what if you're a 31 year old newbie with only singing in the car and alone experience cause you copied your favorite singer on the radio or CD? I wish I had started younger but the passion grew more after schooling plus I don't have much if any self confidence so never sure I'm good enough.
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    @LoneWolfRogue I think alot of us have these regrets and confidence issues, there's moment where I had doubts that singing was going to happen due to pitch issues. After applying a few extra pitch workouts prior to my main audio workout it's much better now.

    This course tought me your never too late and if you apply yourself with regular audio workouts and work at all the things in the tutorial videos, along with using the forum as support.

    When you see the improvements in the coming weeks it's rewarding and makes you want improve even further.

    Regards

    George
  • LoneWolfRogueLoneWolfRogue Posts: 2002.0 PRO
    Thanks George I needed that, ok I'll keep trying I'll try again maybe on a different song

    Thanks again so much. Hopefully my low self confidence tank will fill up even if it's one gallon lol
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    @LoneWolfRogue

    Just be patient it won't happen overnight, gradual improvements and try to concentrate on doing the scales, support and lah ah vowel and getting them correct first thats where the biggest improvements will be gained.

    George
  • LoneWolfRogueLoneWolfRogue Posts: 2002.0 PRO
    Ok George I can do that :) thanks so much for your help oh and if you want to see where I'm at. Here is a sample of what I've done so far. It's not good but gotta start somewhere right? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G_m6Hs62Xdjre1Z0ucVNaVOR-iLc6-gl/view?usp=drivesdk

    Thanks again!

    Rogue
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    @LoneWolfRogue bit like me when I started see potential but only so far your voice will go without professional training. All those audio work outs will improve all aspects of your voice and you will be able to sing that song with alot more freedom.

    Won't go into things too much on that song, some other guys like @highmtn, @HuduVudu, @videoace, @doc_ramadani, @Michael4000 more experienced will guide you better.

    Keep going you will improve in time.
  • LoneWolfRogueLoneWolfRogue Posts: 2002.0 PRO
    Thanks Vocality

    I'm an open book so any advice you wanna put in it please feel free to do so! Again it's hard when a lady like me sings a man's song and you want it to sound just right but you know it won't be exactly the same but I don't know many rock songs by women that I like to sing. I wish I could afford the package where I can have a Skype session with Ken but funds are tight with this.

    So keep doing the same or focus more on breath or diaphragmatic support?

    Thanks again!

    Rogue
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    @LoneWolfRogue Focus on getting the Diaphramatic breathing support correct first (Really Important), have you downloaded volume 1. Watch all the volume 1 tutorial videos and practice applying these techniques.

    Also there's a document maps the coursework Volume 1 Manual read through it's a good guide.

    It's alot to take in initially once you get established with the audio workouts scales, well on the way to improvements Try to leave the singing songs to a little later.

    Regards
    George
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 2,012Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management
    Hi George, @Vocality

    Very nice that you help our new member Rogue { @LoneWolfRogue ).

    Doc

    PS.: Sorry, that I am a little bit short in time.
  • VocalityVocality Posts: 5142.0 PRO
    @doc_ramadani

    It's in my nature to help others, after all I was helped alot here myself and nice to give a little guidance to new starts.

    George
  • David1954David1954 Posts: 62.0 PRO
    Hello to everyone
    I just joined KTVA and I am excited about the potential that I see in this community for me to grow my voice.
    I’m 64 and I’ve been playing guitar most of my life. I’ve played in bands but was never willing to sing in public. A few years back friend of mine, an actual professional musician, got me and some of our other musical friends together for some jamming. We formed a band and started doing open mics and even got a few unpaid gigs with me doing most of the singing. I recently took a jazz singing workshop class and have been getting into the jazz singing. Singing on stage with professional accompaniment and no guitar to hide behind has really shown a spot light on my weaknesses.

    So far for singing as with the guitar I have found that if I'm willing to put in the time and practice the right way I should be able to continue to grow well into my later years. Two of my band mates are 70 and one of them just started playing the guitar when he was 66.

    David
  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Posts: 2,012Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management
    Great Story, @David1954, and never forget what Ken tells us so often. A Singer is only because has the guts to be a Singer. Doc
  • CountryguyCountryguy Posts: 122.0 PRO
    Cool post!
    I'm 67,play 2 -4 times a month,usually 4set shows,it keeps you young.
    💪🤟
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