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  • ronwsronws Posts: 43Member
    Thanks for the assessment, highmtn. You fairly hit the nail on the head.

    I was born March 19, 1964. Yes, I just had a birthday and am now 48. And I have Uriah Heep's greatest hits, live. I usually giggle when David talks about getting some gum stuck on his boot, left by some carless person. "And here's a bit of a rock and roller, for those of you who want to rock and roll. It's called Sweet Lorraine...."

    I have sang all of my life. I started teaching myself guitar in October of 1974. I had picked up my grandparents' classical guitar, which they kept around more to look at than to play. And started picking out the arpeggiated chord to "Who'll Stop the Rain?" by Creedence Clearwater Revival. We moved to Texas that month. My mom got me an old student guitar and Mel Bay's book of Chords, it was all she could afford. I started developing strength in the upper end of my range around 1988 with a book by Graham Hewitt called "How to Sing." He came from the same classical background as Lilli Lehmann, who had a book by the same title, but he was geared more toward pop music. My first wife, Deidre, was a classically trained pianist and when I first learned how to do the upper notes more connected than falsetto, I had no control over the volume. She said, and I quote, "You could sing in the Cotton Bowl, without a pa." The Cotton Bowl is a concrete, open-air football stadium at Dallas Fair Park in Dallas, Texas.

    But I still had problems in my passagio until the last few years, where further, more in depth study has helped me get through that. And it may have seemed quick for me for two reasons. A) being a light tenor, wherein transitions are not as apparent. B) I have been singing a long time and went through the basics that others are now going through.

    To answer your question, directly, no, I do not practice scales. I do practice tri-tones in different parts of the range. More often, I practice how I change resonance, primarily through movement of the soft palate and the larynx. Other than that, I don't give the larynx much thought. If I am managing my breath and resonating in the right spot, the volume is way more than enough and the larynx doesn't move too much. In fact, the less thought I spend on the throat, the better, because that is what was hindering me before. Images for what the folds and/or the larynx was doing, bringing undue tension and strain to it. My shortened mantra is "follow the resonance."

    The reason I concentrate on the basics like breath and resonance is because it doesn't matter how many scales you sing, it's how you sing them. And learning where to place the note is so important.

    What attracts me to this forum is two-fold. The personalit of Ken. He really is a singer and I enjoy his example songs because he feels them, even as he is illustrating some technique. He's not just a coach, he's a singer. Second, one of my other favorite singers is a student of his, at least by distance and means of the program, rather than in-person lessons. A guy I know as Geno but his name is Gene. A fellow countryman but located quite a bit north of me. The awesome ability of his voice is testament to the work he constantly speaks of in the KTVA program.

    I am always learning something new. Yes, I know about the singer technology and probably have over 2 dozen books on singing, many of them classical technique.

    I've heard people describe KTVA as a bridge late technique but I think that is painting with a broad stroke. For the instruction, as I can see it is, to lighten as you go, where you need to. Which, to me, is reminiscent of my "follow the resonance" thing. That is, there is not as much concentration on what the larynx is doing as there is on what the note sounds like. How much ring is in the note. Follow the note.

    I've had a few others admire the tonal quality in my lower end. If you ask me how I sound when speaking, it is very much like the low volume low note stuff in "Brandy." When I hear myself on the answering machine, that is what it sounds like.

    What I call my full volume range without amplifcation over instruments is from E3 to Bb5, though I can reach C6 if I stay relaxed and let the note happen, rather than "trying to make it happen." With an intentionally dropped larynx and using all my resonator space, I can go as low as C3. Anything below that is weak in volume and resonance and that is not self-deprecation, it's a fact. At G2, I am barely able to fry and F#2, my folds have opened and are no longer creating a tone, it is rather a gutteral sound. So, I only have 2.75 octaves but I try to make that range work for me and fortunately, most of the songs I want to sing are within that range.

    I am an old-ish dog that is learning new things about my voice all the time. Including the fact that I need not worry about how much ring I have in the middle of another's baritone range. Accept the range I have and work it to the best of my ability. This gets me called lazy.

    Some of my other exercises include light descending sirens. Other times, I start with a song that is light yet connected and transition to something with a little more bite. For example, I will start with "Ave, Maria" and let it morph into "Black Dog" by Led Zeppelin. Both sacred and profane, from either direction, I suppose.

    But I am not here to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. I am here because I enjoy fresh perspective. And it's why I go to singers' forums, in general. I get applause from friends and family. I get applause from the general public. Other singers, however, has been the "toughest room," so far.

    And I have a passion for singing. I may not ever become the big rock star, though that may be easier in the digital age. I can't deal with the travel involved and I have responsibilities. If I was 20 with no home, sure. But I am 48 with property taxes and a grandchild.

    But that doesn't stop me from dreaming and pursuing my passion of singing, even if others consider it a hobby. Who knows, maybe I could get with a local theater group or church who needs someone to take the lead role in Jesus Christ, Superstar.

    It seems I have written such a long post and I apologize but your comments and questions inspired me to answer.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Yes, Ken has said that proper support does resemble the way you tense your abs when somebody is about to punch you in the gut.  Also it's like the way you bear down to raise yourself up for a situp.

    The main important thing to REMEMBER is to RELEASE that tension at the end of the phrase or scale.  A split-second of relaxation, like your heart resting between beats.  That rest/relaxation is JUST as IMPORTANT as the tension, because without the relaxation/release, you won't last through one song, let alone a whole set or an entire performance.

    BUT, we're not going into training by swapping gut-punches with one another.  No need for that.  It's just a word-picture. 


  • Ken TamplinKen Tamplin Posts: 428Administrator
    @ highmtn and Kokohnut. Thank you for being there for people to help answer questions. Your input is appreciated
  • TBooTBoo Posts: 3Member
    edited June 2012 Vote Up2Vote Down

    I'm 45 and don't really sing, but I've always wanted to be able to sing just for my own personal satisfaction.  Got the program on May 13th and started practicing in my car to and from work (only time I have right now) started to notice a difference so I downloaded "Faithfully" sound track and recorded a little bit on June 4th (up thru "along the wire"). Kept practicing in the car, then things seemed to start getting easier so I recorded another section of the song on June 22nd using the same USB mic on my computer, but I held a paper towel in front of the mic to cut down on the "pop".

    I plan to keep recording new parts of the song every few weeks as I progress so that hopefully I can hit the high parts at the end of the song when I'm done.  When I'm finished, I'll hopefully be able to hear steady progress as I play through the entire song.

    Still a long way to go, but I'm excited to continue on with the program

  • Ken TamplinKen Tamplin Posts: 428Administrator

    Hi Pablo,

    Excellent job!

    You are really starting to understand support, pitch and the stamina / technique required to sing a song like this. (I like the Latin approach on guitar, wish I heard even a little more of tha :-t).

    Now if I could encourage you to balance a little more of open throat with mask. You are relying almost totally on mask must at several points I'd like to hear more warmth in the sound.

    Before you atttempt this, stay with the way you are singing the song currently and develop longer more legato phrases as you cut them short. You may be doing this for a "style" think which I understand but now it time to build the upper mid voice even more and doing this will really help.

    Once you have done that, then take into consideration about what I saw "warming" up the sounds.

    If necessary, you can stay with the exact way you are approaching the higher notes, but now in the mid and lower registers balance out the warm form mask by shooting the sound up into the head rather than bringing it down so much into the front of the face.

    I know this is easier for you for now, but in the long run, what I am asking you to do will not only give you more body, power and less shrill and eventually more range becuase you will introduce mask "later / higher" than you are right now.

  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    @tomasz. I hear a lack of support first of all. Your pitch is all right but you are using a lot if air and not opening up the vowel sounds. Marc's comments on opening up the vowels is great. I would really work on adding a lot more support/volume.
  • Hey everyone, here's my bands song "Torment blue" which we have released about a week ago. Enjoy and tell me what you think! 

  • Hi guys, These past few months I'd been in a Music school where I focussed mainly on Piano and didn't much of Ken's workouts. There was a lot of Jazz singing there as well and I loved how good scatting is. Interesting that they do very light mix usually unless they're very bluesy, operatic in their approach. Recently however, I did a collaboration with A Finnish composer/producer Jukka Packalen with me singing very Indian classical vocals on it. I will post demonstrations soon to get feedback but please do hear this too if you have time and willingness. Refreshing change to all the music you hear usually. I really feel that my tone has significantly improved since I started with KTVA. Really thankful for that. Do give it a listen. (the very last part is made entirely by that guy assembling my takes and making something really quirky out of it) . Cheers!! Looking forward to hearing from you guys especially Bob. :) 

  • highmtn said:

    Interesting version of this tune.  Very laid-back rendition.  Nice guitar and vocal sounds.



    Thanks Bob, here's the newest one:

  • I've been practicing KTVA for 3 years and still feel like improving - slowly :)
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited August 2014 Vote Up2Vote Down



    Yes.  Your voice has new, pleasing tone, more rounded, less nasal, from the gut rather than the throat... seems to have reserve power to spare... AHA!!!  You are making very good progress.  Keep up the diligent work.  It pays off.  Keep pressing on that inner tube!




  • A cover of Shakey Graves "Dearly Departed" in celebration of Shakey Graves new album 'And The War Came" out now!

  • Hi, guys!

    I am new to this forum, just beginning to really train my voice (I am an amateur singer, I don't really know my true voice type either).

    Some people tell me I'm a contralto, others refrain from using terms, as my resonance isn't fully developed yet, neither is my support. That is why I'll appreciate your comments on my raw singing :)

    This is a video of my singing, covering Red Line Chemistry's "The One Thing".

    I hope you like it!

  • seekerseeker Posts: 75Pro
    edited October 2014 Vote Up2Vote Down

    I've been practicing KTVA for 3 years and still feel like improving - slowly :

    This is AWESOME!!! wow...... GREAT job man !!!!
    How did you progress through the volumes ?? like how much time did it take you to go through them ?
    and did you consider yourself talented prior to getting started with the KTVA course ?
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Welcome to the KTVA Forums!  Your voice sounds really good.  You could use a little more support, but your pitch is good, and your style is decent.  The keyboard is just a little loud for the level of your voice for the purposes of vocal feedback.  It covers your voice just a bit much. 

    Keep working your voice.  You have a great start.



  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    How do you DO that?  You disappeared and reappeared at the beginning of the video!

    Sometimes you amaze me!  And how does your voice reach the microphone across the room?

    So was this the BIG ONE hundred?

    "Yes to challenges."

    Sounding good, bro!

    : ^)




  • @Bluedevils , thanks for replying man :) you truly motivated me to get back in the game!!
    Your vocals are astounding.... marvelous dude!
    You abuse vibrato a bit :P but it sounds sick! 
    Keep it up !
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    eh-ksp-Lehn  Very short and light fly-by on the consonant ksp






    Also, be aware that when a syllable has a consonant in it, we sing on the vowel and only close on the consonant.  So if we were singing the word "Ordered" we would sustain the O, then only pronounce the r of the first syllable for an instant at the end of the syllable.  Then on the last part of the word, we sustain the "eh" part.  We don't sing it like Orrrrrrrr derrrrrrrrrred , we sing it like Ooor-deeeeeehrd.  You don't sing R's, T's, S's etc... Only the vowels.  The consonants can start and close the vowels, but we don't vocalize on them.

    Maximize the vowels, and minimize the consonants.



  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited April 2015 Vote Up2Vote Down

    These are cool tracks, @hanne.k

    The band rocks and so does your voice.  It's well-recorded and sounding good.

    Thanks for sharing your progress with us.  It's great to see that you are doing well!


  • Haven't been practicing but wife wanted me to share this duet.

    Listen to Wife and I 010916 by Steven Kindig #np on #SoundCloud

    Thx for the listen
  • everdroneeverdrone Posts: 156Pro
    edited April 2016 Vote Up2Vote Down
    Love that AIC cover!

    Today I finished mixing my original tune called "VORTEX MIND" where I do all singing, guitars and bass:

    In my time you will see
    You have forsaken me
    You buried me with lies
    Blind me with vacant eyes
    Can you fight, to save your self
    Paralyzed inside your lies
    Your chains are binding you down
    your vortex mind left you blind
    Now that your thoughts have paralyzed
    Inside your spinning head dreams die
    I tried to save you from your mind
    Buried deep with your thousand lies
  • here is my heavy vocal distortion cover I did tonight of Godsmack "Whatever":

  • Hi guys, while I've been working my butt off on Vol 3 workouts, I decided to cover something that is more about feelings than a killer technique, a piece that has a special meaning to me and here is how it sounds :) Comments appreciated.

    Cheers, Konrad
  • I'm very proud of this cover. It's an entirely different take on this song that I love. Enjoy!

  • New cover! Another collaboration with Edgespear. It's a different take on Paper Wings, a song that I've been listening to since I was a kid. Enjoy!

  • everdroneeverdrone Posts: 156Pro
    edited July 2016 Vote Up2Vote Down
    I wrote a song last night called "Southern Comfort" and wanted to share my video of it with yall:

    my original song lyrics:

    Pretty girl wont you come this way
    I see you trying to look away
    Somehow we meet, honey that sweet
    Your honey oh, bring it lets go
    Inside the furnace I turn on the heat
    Running fast in the last lap
    I see gold and I go for it at all costs
    Picking up speed flying fast
    Im drinking southern comfortably numb, I feel high life
    Im burning my gasoline fires going blind, I feel numb
    Im drinking southern comfortably numb, I feel high life
    Im burning my gasoline fires going blind, I feel southern comfortably numb

    Well make this work well make real right
    The shining stars are southern comfortably bright
    Ive been drinking and bar fighting all last night
    So lets turn down a notch and feel real right

    Pushin’ 90 miles an hour aint the best way to go
    Speeding past the limits the only way I know
    Shootin’ stars makes me feel all right
    Shootin’ everything and shoot out the lights

    I mixed it a bit more, free download here:

  • wesmewesme Posts: 8Pro
    edited August 2016 Vote Up2Vote Down
    Hi guys,

    Been doing KTVA for about two years now but I've only really recently felt like my voice was good enough to share.

    So here's my Landslide cover. Enjoy!

  • This is my try on 'New Divide' by Linkin Park.. plz give me suggestion so i can improvee myself. Thank you
  • Here's me singing "In The End" by Linkin Park. Tell me what you think!!
  • Hi guys, this is my most recent song. Some say it sounds like progressive folk, others hear Zeppelin vibe, u tell me :) As always feedback appreciated

  • NigelNigel Posts: 138Administrator
    Thanks for posting your demos everyone, this is really cool - they sound great! 

    Like Bob says, it takes a lot of courage to post your stuff here for the world to hear - so, congrats!
  • ken here is my post ...

  • dingodingo Posts: 119Enrolled
    edited June 2012 Vote Up1Vote Down
    Really really nice version of this. You are very connected and the dynamics are great.
    What is your experience in singing?
  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    i took a listen to it on my iphone.  Couldn't hear any of the music track(if there was one), but i could hear his vocal loud and clear. 
  • Me singing Like a Stone : 

    Johnny Cash - Hurt:

    Dave Gahan - Saw Something:

    Please feel free to criticize!!

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Sounds pretty good.  You already know that you need to work on buiding up your support mechanism.  That is key to building a solid foundation upon which to continue building your voice.  You're on your way.

    I like this demo.  Keep 'em coming!


  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    Really good job. You really could brighten up the tone a lot over all. This will add some edge to your tone as well as pull up the pitch in some of the parts. Try it with the bright lah timbre that ken demonstrates in volume 1. You are covering/darkening the tone a lot which Cornell does do but he still uses a brighter tone. You are right on about the Ee vowel remember in the exercises we modify from Ee to Eh. If you go more towards eh in the word Be, the throat will be more open which will make it much easier to sustain.
  • Ken TamplinKen Tamplin Posts: 428Administrator

    Decent professional presentation.

    The top is a bit weak and could be better supported (especially for this style of music).

    But you have clear tone (support will also help you pitch as well and give you a little more grit) :-)

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Could you please lower the key for the chorus a few steps?  Just kidding!  Wow!  That one is Really Down Low!

    You will find, like all of the rest of us here, that you will need to improve your breath support, and really open up the throat.  The KTVA exercises will really give your upper range a workout and stretch your voice in the upper areas. 

    Looking forward to your progress.


  • Greetings!  I just purchased KTVA yesterday and cannot wait to get started on the programI chose KTVA's How to Sing (complete course) in order to help me learn about and grow all aspects of my voice.  I'm ready to get to work on the program and look forward to learning from everyone in the forums.    

    Below is a link to my demo song called Soulshine, written by Warren Haynes. 
    I'm the lead singer/rhythm guitar player for a recently established cover band in NW Indiana and I want to do everything I can to grow my voice...properly with studied technique.  I don't have a formal musical background, so having both audio and visual instruction specifically from Ken is why I chose KTVA.

  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    @jasonm. Really good work. You have nice clean tone. Good and bright. A great place to start from. You are closing down some of the vowels which is causing tension and cutting down your range. Remember it's the Lah. Pay very close attention to the video on the Ah vowel, it is so important. Mouth wide open nice bright tone. In the chorus try singing the word Soul with more Ah in the sound. Even sing it like S-Ah at first to get the throat nice and open. You will notice that it is much easier to sing. All the best!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    Sounds good, jasonm!

    You're coming in the door with a lot of skills. 

    Listen to everything Ken says in the videos.  You will find that if you do as he says, your voice will grow even more, in range, tone, and strength!

    Nice to have you here!


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Jimmy, you're coming in the door at KTVA with a very nice sounding voice and good pitch. I listened to the three songs your link leads to. Very interesting sound.  Nice and Bright!

    I'm really looking forward to hearing what you're going to sound like after working Ken's exercises for a good while! 

    It's going to be a wonderful journey!


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Your demo is very short.  Your voice sounds good.  You're using distortion. 

    Make sure you go back and sing cleanly without distortion after singing like that with distortion.

    Otherwise, you will lose the ability to ever sing cleanly if you spend too much time singing distorted vocals.



  • irond76irond76 Posts: 6Volume 1
    hey everyone here is a link to one of my videos, any input on the vocals would be great

  • ragnarragnar Posts: 410Pro
    edited March 2013 Vote Up1Vote Down
    Welcome to the forums irond76.

    You have a very well connected smooth voice and good intonation.
    That is an excellent starting point for vocal development. If I were you I would want to work on beefing up my vocals overall to get a bigger, stronger sound while still maintaining the agility you already have.

    Fortunately you've come to the perfect place; beefing up the voice is what Ken does best.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    You have a nice voice.  Your pitch is good.  I think you could benefit by building your support, especially when you go into head voice. Ken's exercises will really build your voice. 


  • realityfusionrealityfusion Posts: 3Enrolled
    edited March 2013 Vote Up1Vote Down
    About 4 months into using KTVA My latest video.

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    Darn words! Always getting in the way of the singing!


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    I think the title change and the updated chorus will be an improvement.  More appropriate to the genre.

    I think it's cool that you found that cassette and can hear the changes so plainly in the character of your new, improving vocal quality as compared to a sample just a few years old. 

    So which Boston tune are you thinking of?  Smokin'? Long Time?   ?? 



  • Made a cover of a song, would be nice with some feedback to what I'm doing wrong :)

    I do know that I'm doing a distortion that is bad for the voice and that I might sing a little too covered but oh well :P .
  • Hello everyone,

    It has been about 2 months that I´m working regularly on KTVA (5-6 days a week without exception). I started with Volume 2 two weeks ago and yesterday I decided to record myself doing some exercises.

    So here they are. I would appreciate any comments, I really want to know what I am doing right and wrong, because sometimes one can barely recognize. I´m really focusing on:

    brightness of my tone, 
    support (I would say it´s better than it used to be, but still not perfect - your opinion please) , 
    vowel modifications
    and finally blending from chest to head voice (I would really like you to evaluate me:))

    Please, tell me your opinion to my progress. 

    Good singing to you, guys!!!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    1) For the openness, just OPEN THAT THROAT UP!! AH!!! AH!!!! Like the video. Make it really ping!

    2) If you can't tell where your voice is shifting into head, there are a lot of people reading this who wish that was their problem. Most people are trying very hard to smooth over their passagio.  If you want to reveal where yours is, then try doing some slides, going upwards very, very slowly. Lean into the sound enough to try to feel and hear the larynx shift into head voice and try to make a deliberate speed bump. Try to get a real Country and Western Yodel out of that Adam's Apple!  If you feel that shift and hear that little yodel, find the note on which it happened, quickly with a piano.  That's your secondo passagio.

    If yours is at C5, then that helps to explain why it is so undetectable on your vocal demos. I heard a hint of it yesterday when I listened to your demos, and it Was high, near the turnaround point in the scale.  The higher you can get in chest voice, the more difficult it is to tell when someone goes into head, because chest sounds very much like head voice in that range.

    If you can improve the open sound, get more ping, and bolster your support, you will be on a really good track with your training!


  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    Hey Jason This sounds really good. There are some vowels you could open up more that will make your life easier. Stay, same use the Eh(led) or slight Aa(hat). LOOK in the chorus sing with Uh(hook). Right now you are closing to the Oo vowel. Words like Give, Live, add more Eh into the sound as well. Nice tune great delivery. Hope these tips help.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Nice track, nice tune, good work!



    P.S.  Good job on Soulshine, too.  ;^)

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    You should practice the A4's and G4's a bit.  The pitch is a little shaky on those.  A lot more support is needed for those notes. Those are tough notes, so please don't be offended.  Work on that support and spend some time singing sustained G4's and A4's until you don't have to reach so hard for them.  It takes a lot of strength.


  • TrineTrine Posts: 269Moderator, Enrolled
    edited June 2013 Vote Up1Vote Down

    Hi @opgalliano!

    I listened to all the three songs that you have on Soundcloud. You have a strong, clear voice. In the two first songs, Funky Music White Boy and Come Together, I hear that you have some pitch issues that you need to adress for your voice to develop to its full potential. In the last song, White Wedding, your pitch is fairly ok. I don't know why there is a difference between these songs. Maybe you do? 

    I recommend that you go to the KTVA forum Volume One section called Better Pitch and Tone and download the BASIC PITCH PART ONE program. After working that program, you can send us demos where you perform the Basic Pitch exercises. From that we will be able to help you identify the problem and help you learn to discern pitch better. Here is a link to the Basic Pitch Part One:

    I encourage you to keep on singing, because your voice has potential, and I like your attitude!


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  • opgallianoopgalliano Posts: 61Pro
    edited January 2015 Vote Up1Vote Down
  • TrineTrine Posts: 269Moderator, Enrolled

    @opgalliano, we 'accent people' need to make ourselves heard.I am representing the vikings (I'm from Norway)!


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    Hey, Noel!

    I commented on this demo previously in your introductory post.

    I listened again, and I still think this sounds really good.

    I have a couple of items of feedback for you. 

    I like the use of Mask and how it richens your tone.  There are two places where you need to open up a bit, where the mask gets in the way.  At 1:41 and also at 3:08 where you do the "to you" you need to open up and not let the mask overhang the notes.

    Also, at 2:53 where you do a three-note walkdown on "And" you could use a little more support.

    That's not bad at all for a song like this.  Overall, I would have to say this is a great recording.

    I'm looking forward to hearing a lot more from you.

    You have a very good voice.




  • I would like a critique from anybody on my recent cover of "madness" by muse. This isn't how I sing all the time, but when I sing in this style it always feels the best to me. I'm all ears and I look forward to hearing some good advice. Thanks!

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    Hey, marc!  Good job tackling a tough song.

    As a suggestion, I would recommend that you listen to the WayPoint videos on Vocal Tract shaping and start moving towards keeping your vocal tract open to the dominant vowels, line by line.

    Also, your delivery is a little spikey, in that it's broken up into little pieces by consonants.

    After watching the vocal tract videos, come back and try to sing this song more legato, or strung together like a string of pearls, rather than a series of spikes.  Make your phrases long and linked together with light consonants joining all of the pieces into long, contiguous, continuous phrases.

    Be sure to support like there's no tomorrow, especially all of those high notes.  You have pretty good pitch.  The added support and more legato approach will really help to put more of a shine on your performance.  This technique will also allow you to open up and really employ the advantages of Open Throat Singing.

    You have a lot going for you.  Incorporate these KTVA techniques into your singing and grow that much more!


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    Hi, Marc!

    I have some of the same comments on this song as I gave on Eye of the Tiger.

    You have a strong voice and a pretty good range. 

    What I notice a lot in both of these demos is again the spikey way the really loud notes shoot up above the level of the rest of the song. 

    It would be an improvement if you could try to make a more consistent, contiguous flow of sound, vs a less consistent, spikey flow. When you use more real support for the high notes, they will lay more into the track than shoot up above the rest.  Support will enable you to sing those high notes more musically without shouting them.   

    The result will be a more pleasant and polished finished product.

    Please don't take this as a put-down.  It's intended to give you a leg up!


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited August 2013 Vote Up1Vote Down


    When you got your mojo workin' on your support, you will push down on your guts, and when you do it right, you will notice that instead of blasting loudly, your high notes will be sung, not blasted.  Your voice will sound full, but not overfull.  Your volume on the supported high notes will be more even with your lower, easier notes.  In fact, all of your notes will sound easy, because they will be easier when you support. 

    The word "support" can make people think you are putting more force into the sound.  In fact, you are controlling your volume, keeping it from peaking by reducing the volume with more support each time you would otherwise force more air out to hit a note.  When you push down, you reduce the force of the outgoing air.

    Put your effort into support rather than tightening your throat muscles or forcing blasts of air out.  Instead, work on getting a more consistent flow, powered entirely from your abdominal area with a downward force.



  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Actually there are a lot of improvements in this consonantless version. You are beginning to get a more consistent flow, which will help with keeping the vocal tract in the open position.

    I agree with ragnar in that is still has shouty moments, especially when you are reaching for your high notes.  I also agree with ragnar that you are not that far from getting it right. 

    Consistency in the level will really work wonders on the listenability of your voice and give it a more professional sheen.

    Don't worry so much about adding the consonants back in.  I think you should try what you did in this version a little more to get the hang of it a bit more.  Then add the very least amount possible of consonants.  Just a HINT of the consonants, the minimum possible.  See how little consonant you can get away with restoring.  You'll be surprised at how little consonant it takes to make people THINK you sang it the normal way.  Less is more with consonants. 

    Good job on trying something that seems goofy, but is really a gateway to great singing. This is a big step in the right direction for you.


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    This sounds much more even, consistent, and supported, relaxed and natural.

    And your backup singers seem to be inspiring you to do your best.


  • marc said:

    Without a doubt a significant improvement from a week ago. Sounds more natural and less choked off/strained. GJ!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Try to brighten it up some more.  Open up, too.  It's a little pinched and closed-down.  Like marc said, make it more AH.  This is a really good first try.  You're on a good track.  I expect good things from you.



  • mark, sspatrick, hightmtn - thank you, thank you, thank you....

    Will definitely take your advice into consideration - i've never ever thought I'm using to much air - quite the opposite - that I'm holding my breath too tight in order to stay connected. It's only recently that I found I could sing lightly in the mid-fourth octave and the way I sing is going through changes again. I'll surely try to improve my support.

    Opening the vowels makes sense to me - I'll go through each phrase syllable by syllable and see what can be done.

    Once again thanks!

  • @highmtn Thanks a lot Bob and Marc for your feedbacks. I'm feeling more and more confident in my singing now. I don't know how to tag. Bob I guess all your help with support is working now. The reason I closed my mouth was the fear I'll not be able to do the vowel mods if I don't do it quick enough. I'm gettting rid of that idea and opening more and more.
  • Hello everyone. Here are live material from my first gig as a singer. There were few great moments. Check it out.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited October 2013 Vote Up1Vote Down


    I think this is the best demo you've put up so far.  I'd like to hear some more chairo, or brilliant tone.  You've got the Oscuro, or bass component fine, but we need some more bright sound simultaneously.  So smile into the sound (I see your teeth, but make sure it's wide and open) and put a little mask into it.  Don't overdo it, but put some more highs into the tone.

    It's a little choppy.  Not nearly so bad as what I've mentioned in the past.  But it would be improved if you would string the words together like a string of pearls, into long phrases that aren't so chopped up.  Much better than before, though, when I told you that you were much too inconsistent with your volume changes.  Try to make the words more contiguous. Not a blur, but more connected than these chopped fragments.  Sustain the chopped words more.  While you're at it, don't forget to support, support, and support.  ; ^ )

    At 2:45 you're going to have to work on this part.  It's unsupported and therefore weak, and it's at a prominent point in the song.  Too prominent to allow any weakness.  So spend the time on that point in the song building it to the strength that will be needed to actually pull it off. This note will take some tone and power from the gut.

    Speaking of guts, you've got a lot.  You keep on putting it on the line, and litte-by-little you are asking and listening and coming back for more.  Each time gets a little better.  Keep it up and you will be unstoppable.  Never give up!

    Actually the ugly mug aspect is good.  It's better to see and hear you than to just hear you.  More information it better than less.


    Good Singing to You, marc!


  • @marc thx for the tip. ill try that next ti.w.
  • thanks @marc for the feedback, I will upload a new sample soon, I think I've been going to hard on the consonants in my exercises. more coming soon! cheers again
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    The high note at 0:15 needs work. It's out of reach for you presently, so that means work with it till it gets more comfortable and sustainable.

    Now, your consonants.  You have fully mastered de-emphasis.  Now, in your case, it is time to dial them back in some, as your words are not intelligible enough.  Good job, because previously you were over-emphasizing them, but now you need to slightly dial them back in to where you are just grazing over the consonants enough to restore a bit more intelligibility.  You have gotten really good at the "string of pearls" method of sustaining the contiguous vowels, and I am proud of you for that.  Now we need just the right amount of consonant to get you back into the center you need to be in.  Not too far to the left and not too far to the right.  Just Right.

    I see a bit too much tension in your neck muscles, so try relaxation there.  Look at the still photo of you before we click to see your video.  Your tendons in your neck are pretty tight.  Relax that.  Also, you are doing a little bit of overkill on the big teeth.  Again, you are following previous requests to open up and bare the teeth, which you have done obediently.  Now dial that back just a bit as well.  Not too much, and not too little.  Just right. 

    You are really getting close.  You just overcorrect a little bit each time.  Each time you also get a little closer to just right.  You've come a long way in just a relatively short amount of time.  Keep up the good work.  You are on a good track.


  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    edited November 2013 Vote Up1Vote Down

    Hey, marc!

    It just about kills me to say this, but I think you still need to put a skoshe more consonant back in to improve intelligibility a little more.  I know you're just doing what I suggested to minimize the consonants, but I still think you're still overcorrecting that a bit. 

    Another stylistic request is this:  Yes, I have been critical of overly staccato or choppiness in the past, and largely you have corrected that, however when you do your stops or rests, in those spots it still seems a little abrupt.  It's like you should hang that note just a moment longer, or maybe taper it off a bit where it doesn't seem so chopped-off. Listen to those parts and see if you hear what I'm hearing there.

    I have to tell you that you are improving noticeably and I'm really liking that you are putting so much work into this and getting real improvements, month-by-month.  Overall, your pitch is getting more solid.

    I would agree with Scott that more support would benefit the overall tone, pitch, and strength of your voice.  Think sing it more from your core than from your throat.  If you listen carefully, it does still sound a bit throaty, and would benefit by coming more from your core.

    Also a little more brightness, as Scott says, would benefit the tone.  A touch of Mask, not too much, and a little more Ping from the bright open throat.


    You keep coming back with Eye of the Tiger, and I think you've got a Tiger by the Tail!!!  It's a hard song to pull off, and you are as hard to pull off of that song as a pit bull!   Keep slugging!! Take your lumps from the critiques, make your improvements, and before long, you will have this one down to a "T"



  • sspatricksspatrick Posts: 1,278Moderator, Enrolled
    I agree with Bob on the support. You could use a little bit more especially when the melody jumps in your 2nd demo. Support would help the pitch on those higher notes some if them are a little flat and then you do get to pitch while holding the note. Good brightness to the tone and nice bridging in the higher sections. Working on support would really knock these out of the park.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    @Steven Kindig,


    I also sing the song "God Bless the USA", and also sing it at a VFW post periodically.  It IS a song that stirs emotion, both in the singer and in the audience.  I, too, have had everyone stand up and put their hands over their hearts as the song is performed.  To have a room full of veterans pay that kind of respect and honor makes you really pour your heart into the song!  It's humbling and gratifying. 

    The song always gets a ROAR of applause and cheers.



  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Regarding your new demo: I'm not sure if it's just because you've chosen a tune that is so well-suited to your voice, but in my opinion, this is your best work so far.

    The tone in your voice is really starting to jell into something that is very pleasant to listen to.

    Remember when I was telling you some of your demos were hard to listen to?  You've turned that completely around!!  You miss the pitch a bit at 0:56 on "everybody" but that is a minor nit-pick.  Overall, you are to be congratulated for working so hard and improving so much, even in the face of many critiques that may have been a little harsh.  Your pitch is improving and becoming much more accurate as you continue to work your voice and take your evaluations seriously.

    Everyone, please join me in applauding marc for his perseverance and steadfastness.  He knows what he wants and he has the guts to keep working and working....  and it's working!!!

    Way to go, my friend!


  • Yeah I agree that was a very pleasant listening experience Marc! I think this is much more your genre than the whole Rocky 80s rock.
    My only critique is to work on enunciation in the higher parts of the song. I'm not sure if it's because you are struggling with the pitch, but it gives that impression when you're not getting out intelligible words.

    But in any case things are definitely starting to come together for you, so keep truckin.
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro

    Yes, @marc, you are still overcorrecting by underenunciating consonants.  You need to move a little to the right, back towards the consonants.  Ironically, the underenunciation has helped you to attain the musicality in your voice.  Now the trick is to move just enough consonant back in so that it's less difficult than it is now to understand your words, but while still retaining the sustained, vowel-dominant vocalization you are now centered in. 

    The difference is subtle, and prone to overcorrection.  You are so close.  Just a bit more consonant and you'll have it.  Not too much!


  • On the highest part where the lyric goes "So little time, try to understand that I'm", is where I mean in particular. I couldn't make out a single word when I heard it and hadn't googled the lyrics.
  • Merry christmas everyone. 
  • Well, it's been a long time since I posted anything here.
    I'm 3 months after my 1st lesson with Ken and currently starting Volume 2.

    Here are some of my demos (my own stuff):

    And, just for the sake of comparison, an earlier version of one of the above tracks, before I even started training my vocal skills.
    Barely hitting D4 with an airy voice in the higher harmonies (LOL).
    Man, that was so looong ago!

    Notice any improvements, fellaz?
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    You seem to be right on track towards your objectives.

    My comparison to the sound of the Beach Boys with regard to the harmonies had mostly to do with the fact that the Beach Boys were admired AND popular for the overall pleasant sound of their harmonies.

    Just because there are many overdubbed vocals does not necessarily create an appealing sound.  In your case, as with the Beach Boys, Queen, the Beatles, and more, the sound is enjoyable.  The aforementioned groups, at least on their recordings, accomplished their final products through multitracking. In fact, all of them were pioneers in the craft of multiple vocal and instrumental tracks when the process was still in a more experimental stage.




  • I probably wouldn't use the phrase "too much cord closure" in this regard, but rather over-compression, as you say yourself, is very apt. Being tired would probably accentuate it, but I doubt that's the heart of your problem. It's most obvious in the soundbites of you singing the songs, and my guess is that you are a rock guy who's used to trying to copy that high pitched Robert Plant kind of wail, as well as other stuff in that vein.

    What I would invite you to do is go look at some classic opera (youtube Pavarotti/Carreras/Bocelli/Bjorling etc.) or some male tenor parts from broadway musicals. The common denominator there is the emphasis on a very clean, free flowing & resonant tone, which in my opinion is crucial as a base for any type of singing. Regardless of genre. 
    I think it's pretty much the same thing Ken wants to say with his "It's the lah, ah" mantra.
  • marcmarc Posts: 156Pro
    edited January 2014 Vote Up1Vote Down
    first song at 1.11 i cant understand what you are singing i think like me in some places you could have better diction (i know it is harder for you as english isn't your 1st language). At 2 minutes in your second song you go out of pitch coz you try to go from an ooh vowel straight to an Ah vowel i think you could go ooh to uh as in how we sing love coming in from the O vowel keep the vocal tract the same to avoide pitch issues I hope you understand the bit i am referring to this isn't easy coz i don't speak the language but the singy bit that you repeat through out the song is very pitchy.  .57 song three pitchy again you are slamming the uh vowel and the the E i think.  Infact slamming the uh sound to me seems to be a recurring theme through out all 4 songs i thing you should probably work on that and keeping vocal tract the same.
  • AnthonyVAnthonyV Posts: 44Pro
    edited August 2016 Vote Up1Vote Down
    Bob, try now. thanks for the tips. 
  • AnthonyV said:
    Thanks bob, I appreciate the review, it's good to hear some positive feedback.. me personally, I was waiting to hear something about the shaping of my consonant sounds.. That's what I'm working on more than anything right now.. some things that I feel need the most work with me is perfecting my vowel mods, shedding weight, getting a complete understanding of head and chest mix voice, and getting my consonants just right, so that I'm pronouncing words clearly but not to the point where im choking off my support. Anyone else have any observations?
    I was very impressed. Don't Stop Me Now is one of those songs that doesn't seem too difficult at first glance, but deceptively is extremely tough to pull off, which you certainly did.
    My favorite part of your singing in this and other videos I've seen of you, is your light+falsetto singing, such as the start of your cover here. Beautiful tone. Your high belting is definitely solid as well, but to me you are a bit more inconsistent and slightly pinched at times, so you could probably work on opening up the throat+sound a bit more there with some wide vowels (Eh as in lead and similar). You still sound good there though!
  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Nice job on this one.  It is a good song, but I'm not sure if it's quite as good as the banana song.

    Good production as usual.  Well-supported.  Nice tone on your voice.  Pitch is on the mark. It comes across well.

    Every time I watch your videos on that balcony it makes me wonder what your location is.  Nice vistas.

    See you next Wednesday.



  • Ant here again. This is my latest cover of Muse .. I sang "Survival" .. Both main vocals and back ups. I have a couple of notes I have already made in terms of some improvement on my part but I'm looking forward to seeing some feedback and to see if some of what I noticed gets pointed out. 

  • Thanks Mark, I agree and tried to fix nasality with this new cover:

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro
    Nice tune/sounds, @ Johan_Kalevi!
  • Hi Everyone I've just set up a new youtube channel where i will be performing one live vocal cover a week. This is my first one-  - thanks for watching/listening :)
  • Hi everyone , ive just set up a new live vocal channel on youtube, where i will be doing one live vocal cover a week. Here is my first          
    All feedback positive and negative will be very welcome! i just wanna keep improving! thanks for your time guys :)
  • Hey guys, I wanted to share this music video I recently released with my band 'Moon Tan' called "Medieval Dance". 

    A little bit of a prologue: our group was looking for a singer for a few years, then I stumbled upon KTVA and I decided to learn how to sing.  I've been doing the program for about 1 year now, and with no prior singing experience I must say this has been one of the best choices I have ever made.  This video would not have been possible without Ken or the help of the KTVA forum moderators.

    A special thanks to @highmtn, @sspatrick !

  • highmtnhighmtn Posts: 10,872Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro


    Nice video.  Your voices sound good together.  I like that you have your friends do songs with you.  That's cool.

    Always like hearing from you and seeing what you're up to.

    Keep 'em coming.  Every Wednesday...

    ; ^ )



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