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Hoarseness and everyday practice


I'm practicing KTVA for a few months, side by side with my weekly lesson with my vocal coach.
I noticed that my voice is in it's peak after a long period of just being quiet. Sure, my voice should be warmed up a bit before singing but yet - it sounds fresh and healthy.
On the other hand, after practicing KTVA day after day, I feel I'm getting hoarse and my voice is tired.

What is the best approach then? Do I miss anything?



  • VocalityVocality 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,588
    edited August 2019
    @forepick first off you should not go hoarse something your doing is not quite right, it would be great if you could post Lah vowel triad scale in both head and chest just to hear what’s going on. That helps us to pinpoint your progression and any apparent issues that need to be addressed.

    Hoarse is caused by over-singing remember to do those exercises gently to start with. Also we’re building strength which takes time we can get fatigue now and then especially at the start.


  • Gaston_JaureguiGaston_Jauregui Moderator, Enrolled, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 1,004
    @forepick you probably arent either supporting that well, or doing it too loud, it would help if you record a Lah exercise as @Vocality stated, we could be of help
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Hi. I am having similar issues as forepick. I get hoarse & a bit flemy. I have been doing the course for a good couple of years. What key concepts did you miss, as I feel I am missing something important but not sure what that is. On the lesson cd's, Ken's voice is quite big & maybe I am trying to match his tone & power too much? Any help would be appreciated. thanx J.
  • WigsWigs Moderator, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 5,015
    As a general rule technique wise, hoarseness will be the result of using too much volume, too much air or heaven forbid, both!
    @JAS.URSH as always mentioned previously scales are the best way to pinpoint any problems, if it's really been 2 years on the course then it's possible you might have been using improper technique for some time😬
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Sorry I was supposed to be asking @coffeecrank about the Vol. 1 videos she went back to, but info from anyone would be great thanx.
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Thank you for your reply @Wigs . I can sing 2 or 3 nights in our band & have no problems with hoarseness, but maybe I am over singing with Ken's Cd... & yes, I think I am using too much air & maybe not enough support to hold my breath while doing his exercises. I have definitely pulled back on the volume within the band & let the mic do the work. Thanx once again.
  • samw2019samw2019 2.0 PRO Posts: 285
    Hi I'm just learning myself so that's a factor, but I tried matching Ken's voice wave for wave and mine's a thinner voice than Ken's, maybe that's causing hoarseness making you push into the scale too much? I'm trying to emulate the bright brassy sound rather than be as strong as his voice 'cause I've tried belting along with his Volume 1 lessons when he gives examples (I think in the diaphragm support videos, doing a big "hey" or "yeah" note, and when he does the Stevie Wonder and gradually puts it on stronger using support) and it's not happening to the same power he does it, so I'm just trying to emulate his technique and sound but with my own voice. I found the scales cleaned me up but my normal belting before training caused me to get a hoarse voice, I'm not too able to offer advice but I think the scales should clean the voice up. Peace!
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Thank you all for your informative answers. I will try all your ideas. I think that trying to emulate Ken's big (years of experience ) tone & not controlling my breath are the big factors. Also trying to stay in chest voice too high up on the excercises my be a factor. Once again, Thank you :)
  • samw2019samw2019 2.0 PRO Posts: 285
    @JAS.URSH , All the best with your training and I'm also trying to stay in chest voice perhaps too long than I'm really able right now and sometimes I strain but I leave off when that happens and either flip into head or rejoin at my appropriate notes, and hopefully so far as I can tell and feel get no damage.

    @coffeecrank You're right there and I guess he's a baritone with years of good training and doing it, I'm not worrying about my fach but I think I'm at least tenor and have a thinner voice even talking generally than in Ken's videos. Also on a sidenote have you used earplugs in your band? They really help me hear my vocals over drums and guitar amps and I can avoid all strain and pushing using those (as well as the main object of saving the ears). Peace!
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Hi guys, yes, I have been using In ear monitors for last 3 years & they do help a lot. I don't push as much as I used too, but think I go a bit too hard when singing scales with Ken, especially while driving-probably not a good thing to do Ha ha. I do flip into head voice a lot earlier in the band as I do a lot of Backing Vocals as well as lead & find that the thinner sound is better for blending overall.
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    @highmtn & @coffeecrank yes, I am sure that singing along with Ken in the car is not super beneficial so I should try it more at home where in the past I have found it better for my practicing.

    I think I am using Glottal Compression most of the time but not giving it the support it deserves. My wife who is a the lead vocalist & a singing teacher (& yes, she can really sing well) has been very patiently helping me with my breathing but I am still struggling to really connect & feel that I am pushing down on my diaphragm. It just seems to allude me. I will try the sit up & "Lah" vowel as suggested this weekend. Thank you all. Much appreciated. :)
  • HuduVuduHuduVudu 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,818
    To find proper support, just have your wife push in just above your pubic bone. She will know where. When she does this you push back. This is the fast way. I taught my wife very quickly by doing this.
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Hi everyone, Thank you au all for your valuable information. I have tried all the techniques you have suggested & finding I am slowly but surely getting it. I listened to our live recording from last night (as I often do record us) & found that my tone was smoother & connected , my pitch was on & I could hear that I was using Glottal compression all night. I will continue to experiment until it all feels a bit more natural & consistent. Cheers everyone. J.
  • JAS.URSHJAS.URSH Pro Posts: 8
    Thank you Bob. I feel like I am getting there-just have to pump the bicycle tires up a bit more-ha ha. Appreciate your time in writing back to me. All the best Jason
  • brian_copbrian_cop 2.0 PRO Posts: 11
    I found that doing the daily warmup keeping my cords limber and flexible helps while also doing a warm down/cool down after I exercise the cords helped me a lot. It keeps my cords relaxed and ready to go for the next day even if I push it a little. Or by starting with a hum in the shower then vocalizing after I do like a 5 note scale humming. This has definitely helped with the hoarseness i’ve had in the past where I had to take a couple of days off. Make sure you’re also drinking plenty of water and breathing like everyone said before me is very important, and support. Cheers, and I hope your vocal journey is going very well.
  • epoloepolo 2.0 PRO Posts: 21
    One day I noticed that while doing the exercises my vocal cords started feeling irritated. I thought I was doing the exercise wrong. Then I decided to a humidity reader and found that I had been training with low humidity which can wreck the voice. I bought a humidifier and have been feeling better ever since. Something to consider.
  • NicolasBlackElkNicolasBlackElk 2.0 PRO Posts: 24
    Hello I wanted to ask a question here about feeling my voice tired after the Vol 1 workout is this normal I'm not hoarse but I have a little tingly sensation like a little irritated throat and then I feel I have to not talk too much.
    WHat can I do ?

  • doc_ramadanidoc_ramadani Administrator, 2.0 PRO, Facility Management Posts: 3,978
    Hi @NicolasBlackElk,

    it is quite normal that your voice is tired after your full workout. Remember, this is an extreme sport. Agility and stamina will grow and grow while you progress with the course.

  • NicolasBlackElkNicolasBlackElk 2.0 PRO Posts: 24
    @doc_ramadani Thanks for the clarification so indeed this is an extreme sport lots of stamina and strength will come! Now I feel more confident!
  • JonnyquickJonnyquick Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 202
    edited June 2020

    tired yes. Horse no. YOU need to support better and calm down on the volume. I just warmed up for 2 hours today and im fine. Support is king. I do back to back workouts then sing songs.

    remember only sing as loud to connect. Support is king.

    also if your new to it. Dont go crazy. remember warm up is not a performance. The voice is a muscle that needs gently and lightly warming up.
    I record my self everyday and give note son what i do bad and what i do good! try that

    Go through your checklist

    -moving targets
    -vowel mods
    all plays a important role in singing

    good luck.
  • JonnyquickJonnyquick Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 202
    epolo said:

    One day I noticed that while doing the exercises my vocal cords started feeling irritated. I thought I was doing the exercise wrong. Then I decided to a humidity reader and found that I had been training with low humidity which can wreck the voice. I bought a humidifier and have been feeling better ever since. Something to consider.

    I sleep with one everynight :)
  • Furious_PhilFurious_Phil Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 1,421
    @Jonnyquick , Especially true if you live in an arid region like I do, where household humidity can drop to 26% or even lower in the winter! It feels like you can never quite get enough water into you
  • ZuzkaZuzka 2.0 PRO Posts: 12
    Is here someone who would help me listening me A triads? I have same problems here. I quit practising Half year ago felt lack of motivation, and that time i was Like I get it. but now I'm at the beginning. I have strong voice but I a maybe push too hard and after warm up I am done i can´t sing higher notes, Voice is thiner an so on. I read all this conversation. I would really apricciate help and support cause I struggle and than I feeling like I am not enough. I can´t do it. I am suck etc. :(. Thank you.
  • sjonrokz4usjonrokz4u 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,286
    Yes people will listen to your triads. Use the lah scale and post one bridging and one in chest. Make sure we can hear the background track too
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