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Question on pitch

Johnman33Johnman33 Posts: 6Member
Hey guys! I was wondering if any of you could answer this question as it’s been driving me insane recently. So basically it is regarding pitch and being in tune. When it comes to pitch I can most of the time have a note played on a piano and then replicate it, however my problem is not knowing how to use it. What I mean by this is when it comes to singing a song I don’t know what notes to sing when, like how am I supposed to know when to change note? It may seem like a stupid question but it is driving me insane haha.

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  • Johnman33Johnman33 Posts: 6Member
    Hey guys, thank you very much for answering this :) I appreciate you taking the time to. I will be very honest the thought of having to identify the correct notes and then memorise them, and then string them together etc. Is extremely daunting to me like you said, it’s how I am wired because I have a very hard time understanding it and using it, but I will try my hardest to try and get it and I’m pretty near to buying this course. Thanks again :)
  • Klaus_TKlaus_T Posts: 6472.0 PRO
    edited September 12
    no worries, glad we can help you! you won't actually have to identify the notes as in "naming" them, if that makes you feel any better. you surely will be able to memorize the melody of some simple song like "happy birthday" or something, and then sing it from memory. the process is the same for more complex songs. if you think about it, even the most complex melody is just a string of individual notes, so you can always break it down into really short patterns, like a few notes at a time, repeat until you got it, then proceed. to be honest, sometimes after singing a song for quite a long time, i sometimes realize i missed some bits and sung the wrong notes for months, but that's not the end of the world, and people you sing for might not even realize. with time, you will get better at it. i am still in my first year of KTVA, and i am at a point were i start getting better with all of the pitch stuff, and sometimes cringe when i hear my mistakes now (which i didn't hear before). i am also quite lazy when it comes to using the "one phrase at a time" technique, but i still have fun with it and also slowly get better. you don't need to become a pro singer, so there isn't any pressure, you can learn all of this stuff at your own pace. and strangely enough, the course itself with just the exercises is actually quite fun, who would've thought singing scales daily is so rewarding?! but it is, because you feel yourself slowly but surely getting better and better.

  • blondiewalesblondiewales Posts: 464Pro
    I think I understand your question, because it's a problem I had at the very beginning of singing.

    It is usually wrong approach to practice a single note and think "I'm going to sing this at this time." You're not singing while music happens to be playing, you're singing and vibing WITH the music. You should instead focus on how the note sounds in the context of the song, and replicate that. Sing along with songs and try to replicate the pitch. Some of it can be instantly learned and some of it just develops with time.
  • ElicapElicap Posts: 62.0 ENROLLED
    What app/gadget do you use to record yourself properly? Recording with the cell phone is terrible. I´m new here. It sound to me that I can replicate the pitch of the singer, but when I record myself it feels flat and nosely (nasal sound)...
  • Klaus_TKlaus_T Posts: 6472.0 PRO
    edited October 30
    @Elicap i use a field recorder for some things (like recording the LAH scales to post here) and ProTools and Ableton Live on a laptop for others (songs). the field recorder is a tascam dr-40 which i can highly recommend but there are even simpler/cheaper ones around that might do the job just as well (i use it for other things too so i am happy with some extra options). the thing with recording on a computer is, there is a lot of stuff to buy: microphone, external soundcard, software (if not using free software) and you need to spend time setting things up and maintaining them (software updates, compatibility issues). if you're not into that stuff, i recommend the field recorder
  • BBeckBBeck Posts: 112.0 PRO
    edited November 9
    When I want to learn to sing a song, I listen to the song about 100 times. If I'm planning on performing a song I don't know in front of people, I'm probably going to listen to it like 20 times before I even BEGIN to try singing it. This takes a long time. If it's a 4 minute song that's about an hour and a half of just listening to the song over and over before even THINKING about singing a single note. When I was trying to learn cover songs for bands I would listen to one song over and over for like 8 hours straight.

    If you start singing it too early, you will start singing it wrong and then start practicing it wrong. So, it's really important to learn what it sounds like before you start trying to imitate it.

    When I was a teenager, I would listen to my favorite songs to the point I could hum the guitar solos. It's just a matter of listening to the song enough times. If you listen to it enough, you'll know where things go even if you can't reproduce it yourself. (I couldn't actually sing like a lead guitar, but I had memorized the sound of it.)

    For me I was singing popular songs where you can go buy it. But when I learned La donna e mobile, I was handed sheet music. Needless to say, the first thing I did was go buy a Pavarotti album with the song on it. And I listened to it over and over and now I not only can sing it in Italian but can translate the individual words into English. It's just about time, repetition, and practice (and in that case getting an English translation so that you can learn what the words mean).



    If you're having trouble singing scales and having trouble knowing when to sing the notes and how long to hold them, go buy a metronome. Try and sing a note on each "click" of the metronome. You can set it to any tempo, but start in the middle. I have a metronome that actually counts to 4 and subdivides the notes (subdivision is not really something you do singing scales as far as I know). The more you sing with a metronome, the more your rhythm will develop. I know because I started with no rhythm. At first just start your notes on every click and getting that to perfectly match up in time is what you need to be doing. Although, they might not want you to even really worry about rhythm until you've started getting the singing technique correct.
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