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Loud , Clear , Ringing BELTY Chest VOICE

Hello. I'm from India and I'm a tenor. I finally built a very ROCK SOLID Chest VOICE upto C5 on vowels AH , EH , AW , AE , EE , O , Ooo using scales like 5 tone scale , octave arpeggio , 9 note scale , circular major 5th and circular major 9th respectively and using concepts like Soft palate lifting , support , posture , vowel modifications (all found in Ken's Free YouTube videos , live streams and written on the website). Also can establish a clear strong head voice/strong reinforced falsetto on G5 and can bring it down upto C4 on all vowel sounds. Still I don't have what it takes. I don't have the agility or dynamic control in singing songs. That's the issue I'm facing.

Goals :-
# - Broadway Voice
# - David Phelps Nessun Dorma style of singing
# - Arnel Pineda (Journey) Style of singing
# - Myles Kennedy type of vocals found on his early alter bridge albums One day remains and Blackbird.

My abilities currently :-
# - CHEST Voice (Full Voice) = C3 - C5
# - Head VOICE (Strong Loud Reinforced Falsetto) = G5 - C4

Problems :- Whenever i encounter HIGH notes in songs , in order to be connected, i tighten my abdominals to get the power and Yell up (but no resonance) or if I let go i flip into falsetto. My voice sounds very resonant , CLEAR and ringing while doing scales on chest coordination but in songs that stay in G4 - C5 range I sound SHOUTY with no resonant quality like the brightness/ping to it but while doing scales using Vowels in full voice , I have that Cord Closure , Bright Ping and CLEAR Belty chest quality upto C5.

Links :-
# - Vowel demonstration AE, EE, AH, O and Ooo using a 9 note piano scale ranging between C3 - C5 https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cSNxJp0YTTt5Q_hyQNpyBEX_qoXCAxv/view?usp=drivesdk

# - Song demonstration on Journey Faithfully (verse 2) & Audioslave Like a stone (Chorus 2) https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cXpjl-i_dr_hvSOwwoJVa6azzzJ-zzW/view?usp=drivesdk


  • Klaus_TKlaus_T Moderator, 2.0 PRO Posts: 2,363
    edited May 2021
    hi, welcome to the forum! definitely some good goals you set yourself there. is it possible for you to post some of your scales, and some song? it is normal that it is harder to implement the concepts in a song vs. the scales. and if you are not doing the course, you won't have the full amount of concepts and tools available. and even with all of the concepts, it is still hard to sing that stuff you mention, and it takes time. and since "resonant", "shouty", "rock solid" etc. are terms that are not 100% defined (or understood differently from one person to the other), it would be best if we could listen, and give you more concrete tips.
  • WigsWigs Moderator, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 5,039
    Ill add that I feel I have similar abilities to you, and also the same limitations. Scales are excellent for training, they are simple in melody and rythym and also presented in a predictable pattern. Singing songs are way more complex because of melody, emotion, rythym, tones, textures, dynamics ect. Controlling your range while dealing with all that increases the difficult many times.

    If you can do all that in your scales now, it may still take some years of training to gain full control in a song. I've been practicing singing now for over 2 1/2 years. I still think it will take that amount of time before I can comfortably sing what I want.

    Treat scales as a way of stretching your voice and range, but getting to the top of your range in scales is a way of staying comfortable singing songs a few notes below.
  • Klaus_TKlaus_T Moderator, 2.0 PRO Posts: 2,363
    great, thanks for posting your recordings! you do have a strong voice. good pitch too. it seems to me you are not fully staying in chest voice in the upper area on the scales though. you are using a bit more air than necessary on the scales, i think (in places). you do have support in place but it could be stronger, you can tell that on the highest notes, and coming back down from them, you sound a little bit wobbly sometimes. you need to hold the support when coming down, this will stabilize airflow and pitch. you seem to be modifying the vowels sometimes, but not all the time, and more so on some vowels than on others. vowel mods are very important for belting and increasing range, otherwise you cannot manage the air pressure. i think this might be the thing that you describe as "shouty". if you pare down the sound and modify, you will have more control. in the songs, it is much harder to apply it, as mentioned above. also, you can work on reducing the consonants, which will help keep the throat open and will sound less harsh. did you learn a little bit about vowel mods already?

    having said that, i think you are on a good track. are you considering getting the course? it is obviously the safest bet to get all the details sorted and perfecting your technique
  • WigsWigs Moderator, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 5,039
    I had a quick listen to your scales, I actually don't think it's too airy (there is room to cut back just a tiny bit more) but you aren't shedding the weight enough on the very top notes of the scales, you are actually flat near the top notes. This lends to a tiny bit of shouting like quality because the vowel is still too spread out, it hasn't been rounded enough.

    Saving the mods till later is good, but not so much that you go past the point where you should have used them.
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