Maybe we need to go back.

Jcb

I never had Personal lessons when it comes to any kind of Vocalization. In fact I learned it by copying my favorits and embrassing different cultures. And yes I watched a bunch of Vocal coaches on Youtube. During that time the vocal coach scene Was my Isle. Just humble people with the Best Intention with love and Support for each others and for other styles.

Now comes the New Generation of vocal coaches and to be honest I hate it.

It is not anymore about how good you are but about how bad all the others are. Now everyone is bashing each other because each wants the whole cake but here is the Twist without putting efford in it. I get it that there are people who have better pitch correction than I do. I know there are a bunch of people with a better lungcompasity than I have. I'm also aware that I have a bigger range than most people do. That I can do sounds that most people can do ans that I learned them faster than Average. And I'm totally fine with both.
I think you got my point here.

And yes since I am human all this pseudo revolutionary stuff and all the people biting on it made me question my self. "Is this really the style I wanna go for?" "am I just pretentious?" I wonder what that would do to a Newcomer.

Also as someone who comes from the beatboxing and dancing comunity I love battles and competitions but there are rules to that. So I won't take just any challenge. To me they are not competitive at all because a competetive Person still is respectfull towards others.

That being said the only way for greatness still is

Patiens, love respect and concentration.

And that's why I am still on KTVA

Terence

Yes, bashing others has become a genre.

Revealing yourself to have bad character just to make money for a few months
is a dangerous game. What goes on the internet is "forever."

charlie_v

Hi @Jcb, I can't work out if this is a dig at Ken?

My view is this. I have sung all my life, but suddenly realised that I wanted to train my voice. I had some face-to-face lessons, and then did another online course, but didn't really see any consistent improvement. I had a look at a few different courses, but one of the other coaches looked so bored as he was going through the exercises!

I then came across KTVA. What you can say is that Ken has a spectacular voice. Then you listen to his top students, and they too are spectacular. Then he tells me there are no short cuts: if you don't put in a LOT of time, you're not going to improve. Those who promise quick improvements are snake oil merchants. And to be honest, I'm comforted by that.

what I didn't expect was that I would really start to enjoy doing exercises repeatedly. But when you begin to hear small changes and improvements, it becomes quite addictive!

So, I suppose the questions you have to ask yourself are:

1. Do you really want a great voice?
2. If so, are you willing to invest time, effort and money into this goal?
3. Will you commit to one course?

I have no regrets about starting this course!

Jcb

@charlie_v I actually came with a compleatly Trained voice to Ken Tamplin and I never had Personal lessons. So if we wanna judge him as a teacher you are in a way better Position than I am. But I know from his You tube Videos that Ken has very deep knowledge about technique, culture, Tradition and what so ever. I'm currently Look forward to learn arabic, carnatic Hindustani music and belcanto. So I can say Opera singers are very competent singers but they are not very good in explaining what they are doing.

And for indian and middle eastern singing I get the way they think about it in General. With the different Ragas and Makams the ornamentations. That there are thousands of different fließend and transitions between the notes. The microtonality. But it Shows me where my Personal flaws are as a singer.

So I might Start with KTVA.

charlie_v

Wow, @Jcb! that's a pretty eclectic list of music styles you're working on! Ken states that the techniques he teaches will work with any style of singing. I'd love him to publish more about the operatic style: he was trained in Bel Canto, and the concepts underpin his training.

Hope to welcome you aboard soon!

Jcb

@charlie_v I have total trust in it. In fact I come originally from the throatsinging and beatboxcomunity. And alot what Ken says applys there as Well. (You still have to learn about the culture and they have their own theory but it's definetly not the Total oposit)

How ever as I'm 100% selftaught it was a bit Experimental. Following random instructions praying to god it would not tear my Chords (and perhaps stopping if it hurts) it Worked but I recommend more guidance than I had especially in the beginning.

charlie_v

Agreed, @Jcb. The worry is damaging your voice by doing too much. The great thing is that after each practice, my voice feels totally comfortable.

paulnian

I totally get what you mean. It’s wild how the vocal coaching scene has changed, right? It feels like nowadays, there’s more focus on putting others down than actually supporting each other, which can be discouraging. I’ve been into music for a while and have always tried to stay focused on my own growth, even though it’s easy to get caught up in comparing myself to others. Like you, I believe patience and respect go a long way in improving, whether you’re working on your pitch or expanding your range. I think sticking to what feels right for you, like KTVA, is the best way to avoid all the drama and just keep improving at your own pace.