False Chord Growling + Fry Screaming
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Alright,so I have been doing false chord growling on and off for 4 years now.
It stressed (doesn't hurt) my voice lots of times but when I warm up properly it just doesn't hurt.
How can you tell if someone is developing vocal nodules/damaging the voice?
Any idea if vocal chord screaming is harmful ? lots of vocalists do it safely (I know I can),I'm still experimenting with warm up techniques to get the best out of it.
It stressed (doesn't hurt) my voice lots of times but when I warm up properly it just doesn't hurt.
How can you tell if someone is developing vocal nodules/damaging the voice?
Any idea if vocal chord screaming is harmful ? lots of vocalists do it safely (I know I can),I'm still experimenting with warm up techniques to get the best out of it.
I once did it for 3 consecutive hours without any vocal damage :P Yeah ! that's a lot ! hahaha
I truly love this kind of distortion and I plan on getting the best out of it without damaging my voice if possible!
What about Fry screaming ? the mixture of falsetto and glottal compression?
Chester bennington does that kind of screaming along with many vocalists,I saw ken doing it once on a video as well
Much appreciated!
What about Fry screaming ? the mixture of falsetto and glottal compression?
Chester bennington does that kind of screaming along with many vocalists,I saw ken doing it once on a video as well
Much appreciated!
Comments
@majdz,
KTVA only recommends the types of distortion that are taught in Volume 3 and in the new Pro Videos.
You should not advance to this until you have worked your way through the growth needed to support this type of singing by completing the volumes without skipping ahead.
You can hurt yourself doing so, and you may already have damaged your cords by some of the methods you are using that you say have not hurt you. Many singers sing along for about five years feeling like superman, and then suddenly lose it. End of singing career.
KTVA does not teach fry screaming. KTVA does not teach False Vocal Fold Screaming.
What KTVA does teach is some pretty gnarly-sounding, but safe sounds. Yes, you hear Ken doing some really gnarly "screams" in some of his YouTube videos, but even though they sound blood-curdling, they are done with safe techniques when you do them as trained and instructed. These are NOT fry or false vocal fold. They are done with glottal compression and a lighter distortion.
As you noted, what Ken teaches does sound "like" the other, but is much safer. When you get to that stage in your training, and learn to do it, you will be quite happy with the distortion, AND you will not have to sacrifice your voice forever. Your voice will last as long as you continue to use it properly!
All the Best!
Bob
Can you explain what Ken means by that? I personally agree, KTVA's techniques are safer and after we learn them well, we can use other techniques to a limited extent (i.e., vocal fry, vocal fold engagement, others?) for effect. Is my understanding correct?
One great example would be that while Ken prescribes holding our breath as much as possible during all of Volume 3 exercises - We limit it to not dry out the voice (That's just one of the purposes...). It does not mean we won't or can't add more air when the song or the effect/feeling we desire calls for more air.
Another example might be (conceptually speaking) - We first learn to stretch our chest voice as high as possible safely and after a long time of building that foundation, we work on strengthening the head voice much more bringing it down to chest (fusing it to the strong foundation - Kind of like building a house (head voice) and attaching it to that strong foundation; keeping both strong to maximize our blending and having a powerful ONE VOICE... We then can use falsetto for effect...etc.
-- Bake the cake before adding the frosting and cherry on top, which are full of sugar and as we all know too much sugar (bad vocal habits) call kill you and the voice. LOL
Hope I'm on the right track and understanding...Otherwise, I know you'll expand upon what I said, correct me if I'm wrong, and fill any gaps.
Thanks!
Ken is going to try to get time to address this post. He's been on travel this week.
@hcj1967 I know some vocal fry, false chord growling or screaming is pretty detrimental, I quit it a while ago, like half a year ago or so, I found no safe method to do it, vocal fry is gentle and I don't push my voice that much, gotta be warmed up as hell for that, I don't overdo it, I'm sure it'll get way better when I get back to working on the program, I haven't worked on it for like 2 months now...
Bottom line, I'm sure ken knows better than me but I found vocal fry to be fine if it's in a well controlled way, it takes some time to build that relaxation with a controlled air flow.
1. KTVA support/hold back breadth - Add breathiness for effect as needed with support
2. KTVA Open throat/tongue forward & concave, brightness - Tongue retraction only as an effect/covered sound//Eddie Vetter/STP/Creed (Fact is this sound is very popular in many styles, especially alternative rock). Overusing any effect is usually detrimental/kills dynamics.
3. KTVA compression - Using light vocal fry or cry occasionally to lend/add emotion/feeling...
4. KTVA hyper glottal compression/distortion - Extent one can use false vocal folds to add some noise/effect...not necessarily screaming/extremes, which are highly damaging to the voice.
5. Others:
Falsetto
Style (vowel modifications) even on the chest voice (lower notes) for style) - mostly shades of eh with ee and aa, (stay), and shades of uh with ah and ee
Words like: WHY = Wuh-ee; LEARNED = luh-r(ned)-->(ned) means just enough pronunciation/not to over-enunciate, and adding brightness, if needed to sound better, hear and be heard (perceived) on pitch by the audience
What about purposeful Larynx manipulation for effect/style?
Have fun everybody
Bob