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Singing with Emotion / Feeling

Caw_Im_A_RavenCaw_Im_A_Raven Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 22
I'm in the middle of recording my first album with my band (and will be for a few more months). About half of the songs are classic metal oriented (Like old-school Metallica-ish), while the other half is more classic hard rock-oriented (Like Gun's N Roses or Led Zeppelin).

The classic heavy metal types songs are much easier for me to sound great on since they don't require too much emotion outside of apathy, nihilism and the usual "tough guy" stuff. I've been able to record them fairly quickly and they get a lot of praise from my bandmates.

HOWEVER... The rock oriented stuff like ballads, and the more exciting songs with a lot of energy-- I'm sucking really bad and they are taking forrrreeeever to even get half-way done with. Like-- Its not terrible, but I keep getting the same consistent feedback that I sound like I'm not putting enough 'feel' or 'nuance' into the parts. I know Ken has a video on the volume three videos where he discusses how to get more nuance in the songs by having a "bag of tricks". So far that has been going well, but it seems my overall energy and emotion is just not matching the song even though I really like the songs they wrote and I also really like the lyrics I spent the past two years writing.

Any ideas on how I can 'emote' better? I know it seems really silly-- but I've been so worried about technique and such since I started that it has been difficult to reconnect with that major aspect of singing.


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    highmtnhighmtn Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 15,359
    That's a tough one. There are lots of emotions to feel. So which ones are appropriate for these specific songs? And whose emotions are valid, and whose are not? And who is faking it and who is genuine? That's what I want to know.

    Some vocalists use exaggerated voices and emotions as their Schtick. Talking Heads, for example. They pull that whole schtick off really well, and it's about as fake as you can get... and LOTS of fun!

    Then all the "my baby left me" songs... how far can you take that one? It's been driven into the ground... but then, when your baby DOES leave you, man oh man, it gets you every time!

    So really, people can get a little whiny about how you interpret "their" song. So maybe they can demonstrate the "proper" emotion for the song, and you can just copy them. Unless they, too, seem fake.

    What I'm getting at is that bandmates can sometimes be rather temper-mental (sic) about songs, especially original songs. You need some kind of idea about how that song makes you feel, and be allowed to "be" that song's emotion. If the emotion of the lyrics are genuine, you should be able to deliver them musically and emotionally in a way that people are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, at least until you come to the bridge. If we get all the way to the bridge and I'm not buying your story, then we've got a problem. Sing it, for crying out loud! Cry some tears! Chop an onion and let's see some real emotion!

    Sorry. I'm just having a little fun with this one. It's like people won't cut you any slack sometimes. You just get "into" the song and do your best. Often what some people call singing with "feeling" is what I call adding a little bit of vibrato at the end of the line. Or getting really soft here and bringing up the volume there. Often these subjective things like emotion being expressed by a vocalist are really hard to put your finger on.

    What can be really frustrating is when you actually are REALLY INTO the EMOTION of the song, and your bandmates are like "WHAT was THAT?" I think that's probably why so many people sing with their eyes closed. They don't want to see the incredulous looks on their bandmates faces. Shot down. Another one bites the dust!

    I guess that's why they call it a "performance". Sorry. I'm not helping much. Maybe just to get people started talking about it. This is a good topic.
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    bentkbentk Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 1,650
    edited June 2017
    It is a relative thing. If you have great resonance and a killer supported tone, stuff will always sound good if not great. Feeling is very personal. Some people like the emotional breathy tone some singers use. I can't stand it. I prefer a more solid tone, playing with dynamics, resonance and volume. Choosing where to mix more, and where not to.

    Vibrato is a really important factor. But keeping the bright sound Ken teaches us, and playing around with that will get you really far. You will discover what sounds good and what does not. But that is all personal.

    If you get good at glottal compression, you could distort some lines if you want and if you like that. so basically, if you learn all the tricks and technique Ken teaches, it gives you a massive toolset to play with.

    And just my opinion: singing like you are crying, over-using breath, using ridiculous vibrato (very extreme or weird intervals) and the thing some singers do when they go from head voice into chest voice really quickly and repeatedly. I personally don't like these most of the time. So there you have it, it's personal.

    Some singers also use some strange effects in there voice, a lot of popular singers do that actually. It might be seen as 'artistic' or 'emotional', but i prefer good technique with a solid personal style. Not using any strange sounds or bad habits, just pure vocals. Everybody already has their own sound, use your toolset to make it extra personal. In the end it doesn't matter what others think. If you like it and it's received well on the whole, that's great.

    A lot of the feeling comes from the melody actually. The music sets the tone. If you can relate to the lyrics and if they are well written, that can help. But the feeling is set with the music, and the vocal melody is part of that. Now with this, you can emphasize certain notes or vocal melodies to let them ring out more or less, playing with dynamics and tone. Some chord changes allow for some powerful melodies, and that can really shine through when you emphasize them. This is why i think it is important to always develop yourself as a musician, not just as a singer. At least have a feel, if not a theoretical base for melody.
    When you listen to songs, notice which parts get you on an emotional level? which parts do you think 'that's so awesome!'? Have a look at these parts, and see how they work on a musical level. Layout the chords and melody, or play them if you can. You will quickly see what is going on. You don't even need a really big theoretical background in music theory (although that is always good), just a feel and basic understanding of what is going on.

    All the best,

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    Caw_Im_A_RavenCaw_Im_A_Raven Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 22
    I swear, you guys are seriously the best. You really broke it down and gave me a bunch of options here.
    Now that I think about it, my vibrato is pretty much non-existant once I start singing anything with hyper-glottal compression. Technique-wise I will work on my vibrato and resonance based on what I'm hearing, but pretty much everything else you guys have said is super relevant and actionable. Thanks so much!
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    EpicRyderEpicRyder Member Posts: 14
    the thing that separates Freddie mercury and other artist, is that they sing with great emotions. this makes their voice sound marvelous, both on studio and live versions
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    EpicRyderEpicRyder Member Posts: 14
    well if you want to sing with emotions, you could emphasize each word and try sounding powerful (without singing kinda lazy).This could also make you feel tired very quickly tho.
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    I try several things to be emotionally in tune with the song the best I can.
    I'll sing the song until it becomes second nature, and then I can add personal touches to them.
    Listen to the song and try to be aware of how the song makes you feel when you listen to it.
    Listen to the story being told, and immerse yourself in the lyrics.

    Peace, Tony
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    If you can, try this exercise.
    Try the intro of this song. Just the intro.
    It's the Who "See Me Feel Me"

    The back story is this: A kid who is deaf, dumb, and blind. He can't see, speak, or hear, and not a person wants anything to do with him.
    In the intro in his mind, he is pleading to the point of breakdown for any human interaction possible.

    Now check out the vid below, and just listen to it a few times, and try to get into the kids head. Then after hearing it, think about the backstory, and see how emotional you can get with it. Just the intro.

    Good Luck, Tony

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    Caw_Im_A_RavenCaw_Im_A_Raven Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 22
    I was able to resolve this by adding nuance to my notes on these ballads. Also I analyzed the crap out of the greats as mentioned above like Freddie Mercury (and also singers like Chris Cornell). I'm pretty happy with what I did, but it still feels like it'll be an uphill battle for every new softer / ballady song I write.
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    kenmackkenmack 2.0 ENROLLED, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 20
    I might not be much help above what the others have already offered, but I'll give you what I got.

    You say that you do alright with the metal stuff, but I never considered metal to have that much nuance to it. If this is so, and I am not missing something to it, you likely do okay with metal because it does not demand more than what you can deliver. I'm not a metal fan so take it for what it's worth, but the reason I am not a metal fan is because I like more artful and expressive vocals.

    I am not qualified to give technical direction to you, but here is what works for me. My favorite songs to sing are those that have an emotional connection to me. It could only be a single line like "She talks to me without moving her eyes" from Lyle Lovett's "She Already Made Up Her Mind", but it is these songs that grab me by the right side of my brain and which I can really feel. I learn these songs with which I connect and sing them with feeling. Sing songs that do this to you.

    The other thing I offer is to let the song take you. I can sing a song and sing it seemingly well and people will like it, but there are times when a song takes me to a place somewhere beyond where there is no audience, there is no performance demand, no worry about lyrics, notes, or anything. There is just me, my feelings and a song. Maybe it is some sort of Zen-like nirvana, I don't know, but it is much more than just being in the groove. To achieve this you have to just let yourself go; be free. Distractions and calls to consciousness will spoil it. Let the song take you. An example would be Cyndi Lauper in her "Money Changes Everything" live video where well into the song, a crescendo develops. She is on top of a stage tower in the middle of an arena, but she at that point appears alone in the song with the audience as voyeuristic interlopers to her emotions.

    Here is the video link where you will see Cyndi exhibit what you seek, but pay special attention at the 5:40 mark where you will see her sing her heart out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp4suZ4jNXg
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    Furious_PhilFurious_Phil Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 1,421
    I personally like to do a rough recording of the guitar music, and play it back while I scat out instinctive melodies (no words, just vowels and stuff) while i record both together. More often than not, I'll capture some real gems that way, and I build from that.
    As far as hitting that "connection to the song" mark... its a performance, channel what you need to get the job done. If your bag of tricks are good, then you'll get those moments where people simply stop what they're doing and stare, and/or smile and hug you when you hit the money spot. I remember the first time that happened like it was yesterday! ... Pretty sure the most recent one was when I sang "Killing me softly" by Roberta Flack. First off, no one expected that from me, and the stars just aligned. I live for those moments when the sacred geometry hits!
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    AlyonaAlyona Member, Moderator, Pro, 2.0 PRO Posts: 288
    I don't think that shout with loads of nuances and jumping is always showing the emotions. I think there can't be such a thing as lack of emotions. If you think of the techniques of your voice - there's lack of emotions. But if you start only thinking about the lyrics and tell the story then nothing else matters. There will be that emotion that has to be. Some people exaggerating emotions - that looks fake. The true emotion is in being yourself. I remember how Michael Jackson froze on stage with no motion - the whole audience was about to explode. ))
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