Pretty good job, @rcrosier.
You mentioned that you were out of breath. That would be my remark, as well. It's a very wordy song, and that means lots of consonants. Those consonants break the song up a lot and hammer away. If you could find a way to sustain longer (yeah, I know, how?) it would help your delivery of the song. I listened to the Virgin Radio version, and I hear Hozier doing that, sustaining more and hammering less.
I think this would be one of those songs where you do Ken's method of practicing it without consonants, learning to get the most out of the vowels, and then go back to slightly de-emphasized consonants. That's a lot of work, but if you plan to keep doing the song it will be worth it. To your credit, you sing the G# in full voice, and Hozier, (doing it in the higher key) sings a weaker-sounding airy head voice A on that note.
Maybe after you're feeling better, you can find some more sustain for your notes and pull back on the peaky consonants. I can see why people like this song, especially in a live environment.
Nice song, @overdriveisclassy,
This is a very interesting piece. You're intensely into it. Nice melody, nice guitar work. Exciting that you're just about done with your album.
Good job on this original tune!
Nice song, @overdriveisclassy,This is a very interesting piece. You're intensely into it. Nice melody, nice guitar work. Exciting that you're just about done with your album. Good job on this original tune!Bob
An acoustic original song titled Shattered Rocks: http://youtu.be/66sbbJrjVX4
Track is private , please set to share.
Also use a keyboard if you can to help identify your range. It took me a while to understand and hear what my range is right now. I used a keyboard and my recording program shows me in a graphic so it helps.
As soon as you start to feel the break that is where your top of chest is. Record a L-AH track and share that as well.
Yes, you are singing in chest, and when you go high, even with the weight that you drop it's more of a chesty mix.
What is making your version sound more harsh than Lzzy's:
Lzzy has probably been doing this a bit longer than you, belting in this range.
She is singing more open, less pinched for the high notes.
Lzzy is using a lot more support than you are, especially when going high. Your volume increases noticeably on the high notes, even though you used compression on the recording. When you get better at support, you will be singing this more from the gut. Now it's more from the throat, and you are really pushing to get to it. Eventually, after stretching your chest more, you will not have to push nearly as hard to get these notes. You will compress yourself. Your support will act as a shock absorber for your vocal cords so you won't hit them so hard with air to get to these high notes. You will keep your diaphragm in a state of resistance that will keep it from punching so hard on the high notes.
You will not be singing stress-free, but you will learn to manage that stress much more.
Your pitch is good on this tune, but your delivery is not smooth yet. That will come as you grow in range and power. You will learn to reserve part of your power. You will govern the power that you use, and you will be more confident in the notes, so there will be less tendency to overuse breath power. Also, support itself helps to beef up the tone. With the power coming from the diaphragmatic engine instead of trying to muscle it out of the throat, you use less air and get more tone.
This tune also has a lot of fast words, and as a result, a lot of consonants. Some of the smoothing that you will learn will come from sustaining vowels and minimizing consonants. But that will come later.
This is a tough song. As you gain more skills, songs like this will begin to become more reachable in a professional manner. Right now it's a bit like training for Mount Everest on Mount Everest.
You're doing well.
Yes. Hearing our own voice played back can make one cringe. The more you do it, though, the more you are able to focus on what you want to do to improve the sound and technique. It can take a long time to move forward. That is something that goes according to the individual, and how much time you spend on focused practice and exercise.
You're on pitch in this demo. You're using distortion, which I expect is intentional. Be careful with that, because you don't really learn to do that until you are well into Volume 3.
Sounds like you could use a little more support to help get a little more tone and stability. How long since you sent in a good old Lah exercise?
Good Singing to You!
Your voice is sounding good, @Dariolicious! Especially your AH vowels. Good tone. Keep working out. You're on your way!
overdriveisclassy said:An acoustic original song titled Shattered Rocks: http://youtu.be/66sbbJrjVX4
I like how there are two stools in the background but you're on the floor chillin.
overdriveisclassy said:An acoustic original song titled Shattered Rocks: http://youtu.be/66sbbJrjVX4
You are braver than I am. Doing musical theatre like this, without the cover of the orchestra takes guts!
Nice G#4 at 0:42 on What Have I Done! Good support, and great tone! The Bb4's sound like they need a little less weight and a little more support up that high. But what a pair of lungs you've got!
The high B4's on Always need a bit of modification to round out those "I" vowels. Those are very hard to pull off up that high without vowel modifications. The vowels will tend to splat. "I" for instance would be "Ah-ee", or "Aw-eh", depending on the note. That's also an area where we would need to pare down the weight and support more.
These are very good recordings for being done on a phone. I'd like to hear them with music backing tracks for reference. Sometimes "just voice" tracks are hard for the listener to be able to tell if pitch is right without a reference track.
Nice Rocker of an original.
On the intro you struggle to find the pitch. From about 0:57, where the verse begins, you are much closer to correct pitch more of the time. When the chorus comes back, you again are a ship without a rudder. You will have to build a rudder. We all need a working pitch rudder.
You have stated before that you struggle greatly with pitch and also with timing. This recording proves that you do have issues, but when you ARE on pitch, it's not bad at all.
You will need to do a lot of training on pitch-matching, and singing scales. You also need to learn support and build your voice, but you are not the hopeless case you seemed to say you were. You just need to train your ear and your brain to process what you hear, and match pitches better. It's a skill that is hard to learn, but it IS learnable. You are NOT medically tone-deaf. You have a lot of work to do, and it takes time, but you can become a much better singer than you presently are, if you are self-motivated and practice the right skills.
It won't be a walk in the park, but if you are persistent and willing to listen very carefully to the notes of the music and what is coming from your voice, and make corrections on the fly, you will persevere.
This is not an easy song. You have a long way to go to be able to pull this one off and do it well, but you CAN do it, if you are willing to do what it takes to improve your sense of pitch discernment and learn to find anchor notes to help pull you to the right pitches.
All the Best!
You sounded pretty good Steve. How did you feel about it?
Your pitch was pretty good. Towards the end of the song you seemed to get more comfortable and warmed-up.
Great tune. Thanks for including the story so it makes perfect sense.
You're getting a lot better with your recording chops, as well. Nice job on the vocals.
Your wife sounds right at home with the microphone. Do you two have any duets worked out together?
Your wife can work on improving support, and a bit on pitch consistency. She does sound like a natural.
Johan_Kalevi said:Hi Gang!Spring holiday continues until Thursday for me - was again busy in the studio today.Here's one of my favourites from Cat Stevens from the Catch Bull At Four album.This one was a lot more challenging than I thought it would be.Enjoy!https://soundcloud.com/johan_kalevi/o-caritas
Hi Gang!Spring holiday continues until Thursday for me - was again busy in the studio today.Here's one of my favourites from Cat Stevens from the Catch Bull At Four album.This one was a lot more challenging than I thought it would be.Enjoy!https://soundcloud.com/johan_kalevi/o-caritas
Nice tune, Revealing. Great sound, nice vocal textures and tones.
Cool sounds on We Need Time, too. You are getting a lot out of your recording rig, and it suits your abilities well.
Your originals are enjoyable.
You hit the nail on the head. Sustaining the notes to the end. Supporting the notes to the end.
Tying the words together into a morecontiguous, continuous flow. Doing all of this in a very natural, musical way that feels right and sounds right.
You'll get it!
Nice additional tune, @Johan_Kalevi.
It has been enjoyable hearing the changes and improvements in your voice. You have a nice, bright tone. Sounding quite clear and confident on A4's in chest voice. Writing nice tunes and enjoying yourself.
Don't work TOO hard at paying the bills.
Maybe when your song goes viral, in the commemorative video, You will be in the studio audience, seated next to Fat Brother, singing the song to him!
Very nice. Sorry, I missed your post in the flurry of new posts here and hadn't heard it until you called my attention to it.
You have really improved. There are a few pitch inconsistencies, but really your progress is shockingly good. You are hitting notes that you would have totally missed, not even close, in the past. You have a high register that you are accessing without much effort at all.
You are right, it (especially the higher parts) could use a bit more support, but you ARE supporting and you don't need to rush that after your surgery. I think you've crossed over from the mystery and are beginning to move towards the mastery.
You have a lot of guts to get up and sing a hard song like that in front of people, and you did a good job. You could have had an EPIC FAIL, but you didn't, you pulled it off. You still have a ways to go, but I'm proud of you for the progress you are making. Keep the faith, and keep up the good work!
Yes. Sky Blue with Ruffles. Perfect.
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I'm sorry, pal, but you're just getting too good. I couldn't find anything to tell you to improve.
You did a great job on both of these songs. Your voice is smooth and soothing. You must be knocking them dead at the Karaoke clubs. I just sat back and enjoyed these two songs.
You seem to be moving to a place where your feeling for the song is able to transcend the mechanics of singing the song. That's what everybody wants. To sing with feeling or at least to make your audience believe you are, is the magic everybody wants.
Good job. Keep 'em coming!
Your voice is improving, despite the temporary setback of your recent "icky throat" episode.
I can hear your voice beginning to get stronger, especially with the higher version of Take Me to Church.
You're beginning to get a start on your support. You really need to build it more. You will need to lean on that support most of the time. I believe you have made some progress on support, but I think you will realize when you manage to get some full-on support going that it is the missing puzzle piece to your voice that you are still on the verge of tackling.
Don't feel bad about where you are. You are quite close to nailing it. You will be liking your tone even more when you start leaning into support to a greater degree.
Keep at it, and keep recording.
All the Best.
Great job. I see you're getting lots of fan comments in your songs on Singsnap. That's cool.
These are very melodic tunes. You often pick tunes that are challenging and require great pitch discernment, and you handle them well.
I have two suggestions.
On Empty Chairs at Empty Tables:
The first you will recognize. On the extended (sustained) word "on", that spans two musical notes, and the same later on "floor", you use an audible "h" to launch the second note of the sustained word. So a long, two-note "on" becomes "Ah-Hon" and "floor" becomes "flo-Hor". These will sound more professional if you can lose the extra "h".
You can do this by being aware of the tendency in the first place, take a little extra breath to use to extend the AH vowel through both notes of the two-note extended ON, and similarly an extended ah, oo, or uh vowel in floor.
If you feel that you must "push off" the second note with an "h" then use a "silent h" or as Ken calls it, a "little h", but I would recommend instead not using a consonant at all, and simply extending the vowel that the note change takes place on. It's more musical that way, and keeps your Open Throat maintained throughout the word or syllable.
On "She" I heard a couple of plosives. The "P" on Private and also on Proud both popped noticeably. Are you using a nylon hoop pop filter? If not, that could help to minimize that. Foam sleeves can also help with that, but they can take away some desirable sounds also.
If you're using one or both of these items, you could just watch for the plosive consonants (B, P, D, T, etc...) and slightly turn your head or move back just a bit when they occur.
That's it. Otherwise, more great singing, getting better all the time.
Nice interpretive dancing!
I like the dual vocals. The voices blend well. Good Tango. Each individual voice sounds pleasing, and the combination is very good, as well.
Your friend is a better tambourine soloist than you, however. I've always been a big fan of Elton John, so maybe that explains it.
This is a good song.
highmtn said:Hey, @overdriveisclassy,Nice interpretive dancing! I like the dual vocals. The voices blend well. Good Tango. Each individual voice sounds pleasing, and the combination is very good, as well. Your friend is a better tambourine soloist than you, however. I've always been a big fan of Elton John, so maybe that explains it. This is a good song.Bob
Sounding good, Esa! Awesome band, vocals sounding good!
I had to Smi (h) ile when I read your post, even before I listened : ^)
Good job on both of these. You're building a good consistency to your voice.
It's great that you are already finding a lot of differences in your voice after just a short time using KTVA methods. The other singing lessons didn't work after ten years. Just think what you'll sound like ten years from now!
Ken's methods just keep growing your voice the longer you practice his exercises and techniques. There is much more to come as your voice experiences changes over time. You will get better at preserving your voice and at building tone that you are really going to love.
I'm so glad I found KTVA after wasting years and tons of money on vocal methods that just robbed me. Ken's methods work! The others were practically useless.
Take your time and follow Ken's instructions exactly. Your voice will grow and grow. You're really just getting started.
We're glad you found KTVA (and the forum), too!
We got to see Shakey Graves in concert in DC recently and decided to cover this track! Thanks to Marissa for joining me!
Good rendition of a good song, and good singing partner...
I hear that you are bringing in some higher overtones in your voice now and dropping off some of the baritone weight. I've got my ears on you.
Sounding good, bro.
highmtn said:@overdriveisclassy, Good rendition of a good song, and good singing partner...I hear that you are bringing in some higher overtones in your voice now and dropping off some of the baritone weight. I've got my ears on you. Sounding good, bro.Bob
rcrosier said:@overdriveisclassy: That was fun! Nice job!
@overdriveisclassy: That was fun! Nice job!
These are cool tracks, @hanne.k
The band rocks and so does your voice. It's well-recorded and sounding good.
Thanks for sharing your progress with us. It's great to see that you are doing well!