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  • skv123159skv123159 Member Posts: 87
    edited February 4
    I'm an India singer
    Can some one review my singing and give me some feedback
    Any suggestions comment I will work on it

    Song-to love you more



    Song-creep




    Song-cant help falling in love with you



    Indian song- tu jaha chalega Mera saaya sath hoga


    Thank you
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    edited March 8
    @skv123159,

    Hey mate, you have posted a wide range of songs here. As fun as it is to sing all your favorite songs, I think the down side to trying to take them all on in the early stages is that a large range of songs has a very large range of techniques and vocal ranges, I found when I focused on singing loads of songs:
    1. It would detract from learning technique, as there is only so much time in a day.
    2. I would end up focusing on trying to emulate the sound of the artist, and doing this without a focus on good technique, would lead me to bad technique.

    I think you would do well to even go back to the starter exercises and focus on technique.
    Listening to some of your songs posted here, to my ears it sounds like you have a lack of Ping/Brightness and Support (eg; when your voice wavers and does not sound full).

    I recently did a post here that you may find useful with developing Ping/Brightness:
    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/comment/84489/#Comment_84489

    And post here that you may find useful with developing Support:
    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/comment/84437/#Comment_84437

    I would try and spend most of your time on developing technique at this stage and maybe just work on 1 song for a while that suits your vocal range and do it with a clean tone. This way you can refine your ability to do that song, and really get to know the melody and work out vowel mods that make parts of it easier etc... as you continue to build good technique. It is technique that will give you the ability to sing a broader range of songs, so focus on this first. Then post your Lah Scales for evaluation so you can track your progress, discover what you need to work on and refine your goals from this.

    Also there are many other discussions here on the forums and info in Ken's vids that you can refer to in your research for developing Ping/Brightness and Support.

    Keep up the good work mate.

    Regards,

    Scotty
  • skv123159skv123159 Member Posts: 87
    @codeowl
    Hi Scotty
    Thank you so much for you kind advices
    Yup I'm doing the scales and warm up things every day to keep the system going on
    Ya I know I need to work on my technique
    I just can't control myself from singing songs I don't know which one song to focus my mind is like this one is good and this one is also good so I don't know I cannot resist the temptation
    And If I dont sing like any day it feels like something was off about that day
    So I don't know but I'm trying to focusing on a single song every day
    I'm recording it and then listening it so ya till I don't know if it's perfect or close to it I am not uploading
    Well anyway I think I had written too much
    Well again thank you so much for your suggestions I will surely work on it
    Happy singing to you
  • skv123159skv123159 Member Posts: 87
    edited March 7
    Ohh by the way the link you posted above I cannot see it as I don't have permission
    I had not purchase the course
    I'm more on the freebee side
    But thank you for taking time and posting
    It means a lot to me

    Well happy singing

    By the way Scott is your real name so why codeowl
    Codeowl like on a mission
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    edited March 7
    @skv123159,

    Ok that is unfortunate, there is so much good info in the coarse, I would recommend getting it if you can. My name is Scotty, my internet handle is codeowl, which I choose because I am a computer programmer that stays up late writing code.

    Regards,

    Scotty
  • skv123159skv123159 Member Posts: 87
    @codeowl
    Scott ohh you are a coder a tough job
    By the way do you sing ? I would love to hear one of your cover or songs
    Well about the course I know I want the course but let's just say I cannot it right now
    But no worries I am trying to collect some info from here and there and working on it
    So I'm quite persistent about the knowledge and singing
    I know I have a longway to learn let's enjoy
    And by the way don't stay too much at night sleep is very important
    Happy singing
  • skv123159skv123159 Member Posts: 87
    edited March 7
    @codeowl
    Scott ohh you are a coder a tough job
    By the way do you sing ? I would love to hear one of your cover or songs
    Well about the course I know I want the course but let's just say I cannot it right now
    But no worries I am trying to collect some info from here and there and working on it
    So I'm quite persistent about the knowledge and singing
    I know I have a longway to learn let's enjoy
    And by the way don't stay too much at night sleep is very important
    Happy singing
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    @skv123159,

    I really enjoy coding and have learnt so much about life from the analytical approach to things. Everything is an experiment, most of the time you don't know how something works so you have to test it in a number of ways to verify that what you think is true. You can learn a lot doing this.

    I am learning to sing yes. I bought the coarse and have decided to dedicate myself to learning the techniques Ken teaches. I have a few covers I have been working on over time, I plan to post a cover to get some feedback in the future. I was gunna post it in the New Student Demos area. Do you have access to that?
  • skv123159skv123159 Member Posts: 87
    Well coding and singing is quite similar
    Even I learn from trail and error to find the perfect sound
    Well I never did coding but I can help in singing cause I love it
    About your covers I'm very excited to hear tag me through that @
    Looking forward to your singing
  • JustImaniJustImani Member Posts: 3
    Hello all,

    I am working on "Walking In Memphis" by Marc Cohn. Could I get feedback on this please?

    https://youtu.be/d7yfeFzLuEI
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    @JustImani,

    Hey mate, it is difficult to asses without the music. Here is a karaoke version of the song try recording yourself singing with this:



    Regards,

    Scotty
  • JustImaniJustImani Member Posts: 3
    Hello Scotty,

    Thank you for providing this track, I recorded my take with the video as you requested,

    https://youtu.be/OSXXr20y9Cg
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    @JustImani,

    Hey mate, so it sounds a bit like you are trying to be quite, and the sound is a bit covered.
    Just by way of getting some background from you:
    Have you looked into Ken's technique at all?
    Have you been learning singing long?

    Ken teaches to pursue a bright sound he describes as a ping using the Lah Ah and getting that real bright sound in the Lah.
    There are several aspects of his technique that go into developing this bright sound, and you learn all the basics in volume one of his coarse.

    Here is a good intro to Ken's technique:



    Also for recording I am assuming you are using you phone, you may get better results with an app like Smule. I have not used it personally but I have seen others and they get some pretty good results.

    Regards,

    Scotty
  • JudasfeastJudasfeast 2.0 PRO Posts: 24
    edited March 27
  • JudasfeastJudasfeast 2.0 PRO Posts: 24


    Hi I am a total newbie, could you analyze this triad practice please? I was sitting down.

    Cheers.
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    edited March 27
    @Judasfeast,

    Hey mate, for a good critique of your progress it is good to record yourself doing the full Lah scale with the exercise playing a bit softer in the background. Small samples are not good as they don't cover the range of pitch.

    From what I could hear, you sound strained and unsupported when you ascend in pitch. I would direct you back to the volume one vids. It is easy to miss key points the first time you watch them, I know I did.

    I have had a few discussions around some of the foundational basics of volume one that you may find helpful. In some of these posts I point to key timestamps in the volume 1 vids where Ken demonstrates some key aspects of technique, that I didn't pick up on the first time round.

    There is a discussion here that has a cool MRI of diaphragmatic breathing that may help you to visualize where/how to apply support:
    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/comment/84437/#Comment_84437

    There is some discussion here that talks about breath control and may help you to conceptualize it:
    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/comment/84588/#Comment_84588

    There are also some cool experiments to try here along with pointers to key parts of the Vol 1 vids that you may find useful as well, that discuss things like how to reach higher notes with more ease and how to get that ping/brightness Ken talks about:
    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/comment/84489/#Comment_84489

    And finally, here is a post on an analytical approach to your practice. Using the approach in the following link has helped me be able to hear components of technique that Ken is demonstrating and identify exactly where I am lacking in my execution of technique and what I need to focus on, and the checklist helps me to actually focus on them. It's so easy to get halfway through your practice and think why is this so hard tonight or I forgot to do X and now my voice is croaky. Especially when something may only apply to low notes, or just to high notes, or certain vowels etc... Like if I don't lower my larynx when going into low notes, it wears my voice. As the scales start with low notes, if I forget it, then it really has a negative effect on that night's practice.
    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/comment/84765/#Comment_84765

    Regards,

    Scotty
  • JudasfeastJudasfeast 2.0 PRO Posts: 24
    edited March 27
    codeowl said:

    @Judasfeast,

    Hey mate, for a good critique of your progress it is good to record yourself doing the full Lah scale with the exercise playing a bit softer in the background. Small samples are not good as they don't cover the range of pitch.

    From what I could here, you sound strained and unsupported when you ascend in pitch. I would direct you back to the volume one vids. It is easy to miss key points the first time you watch them, I know I did.

    Thanks Scotty, knowing that that example is straining has helped me.   I have only been  watching Ken's videos for a few days (without doing any lengthy exercises) but I just needed total-beginner feedback for where I am.    I'll check your links, get back to the course and will probably post  another example in the not too distant future.

    Regards.
  • codeowlcodeowl 2.0 PRO Posts: 303
    @Judasfeast,

    No problems mate, I would also add it's a good idea to stand up while you are working on support. Ken says in the vids that you loose a % of support when sitting ;-).

    Regards,

    Scotty
  • eddie082eddie082 Member Posts: 2
    Hey guys! So im about to start the KTVA lessons, so i thought it would be fun to put a video of me singing before hand.

    This is me sing Daughters, and feedback would be awesome! It's pretty rough lol, but like i said i'd love to hear any and everything i could work on/focus on when taking the lessons

    Thank you!

    Here is the link:

    https://youtu.be/JWd332tR5vk
  • GianniCGianniC Member Posts: 26
    Hi guys it's my first post in this discussion.
    This is the video of my contribution to a contest start by Bryan May at the beginning of pandemic.
    Jamming with him and some other guys.

  • stungstung 2.0 PRO Posts: 13
    Hi all,

    Hope you are all keeping safe in these challenging times.

    I just signed up to this course, I have done 30 day Adam Mishan course and had a look at 30 day Singer. There is nothing wrong with them but there doesn't seem to be any programme structure to them. What do you day after the 30 days is up? There are plenty of resources saying here is an exercise for this and that but no roadmap of which ones to combine and do on a daily basis to progress so to me it is a bit random.

    I signed up for KTVA because i like the youtube videos, we share a common interest in terms of the kind of music I like and there seems to be a structure going forward of what to do each day and how to move on to the next stage- a proper roadmap!

    So I have played keyboards for years and have a good ear but always been rubbish at singing and people have always said I have not got a great voice.

    So in lockdown I started keeping more fit but then did my wrist in and so now thought I would have a go at singing as hurts wrist to play piano. My goal is to find my voice and maybe eventually combine my piano playing with singing. I am lucky in that the keyboard skills are fully there (just need to rest the old wrist) and I can pretty much learn any rock song by ear that I want to pretty quickly but I have never tried to develop my voice.

    Having messed around with a couple of other courses for a couple of months, I think I have actually improved a little but I thought i would post my self singing here as a marker to see how i progress.

    Please feel free to feedback and be brutal, the problem with sites like Smule (where this was recorded) is that everyone tells each other they are brilliant all the time which is great fun but not always the truth.

    So deliberately recorded a song that is high up that i would have struggle with two months ago but now i seem to just be able to get higher. Would be good to get feedback and also what voice am I in - I have no idea whether I am in chest, mix of head when I go up but I am aware that I couldn't sing this two months ago and holding back the loudness and using stomach has helped?

    However, I am starting volume 1 and sticking to it for at least a few weeks to get the fundamentals as Ken sees them, even though done a couple of months of other courses but good to get initial feedback on my weaknesses, strengths (if any) and where my four should be.

    I think keeping fit kettlebell swings, doing planks and side planks has helped as well as given me a great core strength in the stomach and sides

    here is the link

    https://smule.com/recording/supertramp-its-raining-again-powerfull_music/2535563331_3983353099


    Thanks for reading and any feedback will be appreciated a lot
    Stung (not Sting.......yet!)

  • highmtnhighmtn Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 15,155
    @GianniC

    That was pretty cool! The internet lets us do some awesome things!

    Bob
  • highmtnhighmtn Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 15,155
    @stung
    You need to support more on the F4's and G4's. Open up the throat a little more (like "It's the LAH!!! AH!!!") .
    Try to make the lyrics a little more legato and less staccato/stabby. Less consonant, more sustained vowels.

    Keep doing Ken's exercises, and keep support and opening up the throat in mind. Also learn to do the vowel modifications in the exercises and that will help with those higher notes.

    A lot of this song you are singing in a mix. When you go up to the F's and G's you aren't fully in head voice or chest voice. That's pretty good. It will help when you are able to recognize what you're doing, but it takes a lot of people a long time to be able to utilize mix. You seem to have found it on your own.

    Bob
  • stungstung 2.0 PRO Posts: 13
    edited April 11
    @highmtn
    Thanks Bob, your feedback is very very much appreciated - wow what a great forum, within hours of posting, listened to, reviewed and really useful feedback unlike other forums I have tried.

    I thought I might have found mix but it is so good to have it verified. The challenge now is to make sure I do the right things to develop it safely and progress without damaging it and so I will be following Ken's exercises and guidance.

    The mix is in later volumes in Ken's programme and so
    Q1. Should I stick with volume 1 all the way or are there things / exercises I should / could add while I am going through the volumes to keep / utilise mix as I seem to have found it?

    When considering opening the throat and doing exercises / singing:
    Q2. Do I consciously push the back of throat upwards by engaging the yawning muscles or more relaxed?
    Q3. Do I consciously push the jaw as low as I can or just let it drop loosely?


    One last question and then I promise to stop taking over the thread!

    Below is a link to a duet (Styx Come Sail Away) so can ignore most of it but at 4mins 47 seconds after the middle eight, I come in and really surprised myself yesterday (after doing vol 1 exercises) as I hit the high C5 - just so that I can recognise the different registers,
    Q4 Is this also mix or am I moving to head on the C5?

    https://smule.com/recording/styx-come-sail-away/496600472_3983361476

    Q5 Should I do the guys or divas exercises in your opinion based on my voice?

    Thank you so much for the feedback - I will work on the things you have pointed out and add more support to high notes (I was sitting down in my car in both recordings I posted, using a Rode NTK mini mic attached to my iPhone, so hopefully standing will also add 20-30% support as well)

    Stung
  • GianniCGianniC Member Posts: 26
    highmtn said:

    @GianniC

    That was pretty cool! The internet lets us do some awesome things!

    Bob

    thanks a lot for your comment
  • stungstung 2.0 PRO Posts: 13
    I posted on April10th when j started KTVA

    It is now May 13th, so with justnover a month Inthought I would post another to see if there is progress. I believe my support is jmproving on highnotes and my tone is a little brighter....I think?

    The singing dowsnt start intil about 1 min 30 but any feedback greatly
    appreciated including harsh feedback....

    https://www.smule.com/sing-recording/2535563331_4013641433


  • JDESTAJDESTA 2.0 PRO Posts: 4
    Hey guys. Here is my cover of Numb by Linkin Park. I am currently 4 months into KTVA. I am seeing progress but still a long way to go. Let me know what you guys think. Any constructive feedback is welcome. Check out my cover here 👇
  • HiromiHiromi 2.0 PRO Posts: 9
    This is my first exercise video since I started practicing two weeks ago. I don’t know what bridge is nor what chest is. I just tried Ah arpeggios. How can I improve my exercises?
  • VocalityVocality 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,507
    @Hiromi

    Hi there had listen to you scales, it’s clear you’ve got a good starting point good pitch, bright tone and you will benefit greatly from the Ktva course.

    This part of the forum if for song demos, in future if you could you please post progress training progress demos under volume 1 section.

    You mentioned you didn’t know what chest and head voice means. These terms are explained in volume 1 tutorial videos. It’s important initially you read through volume 1 instructions and watch volume 1 tutorial videos to get a grasp of basics this is will benefit you in the long run.

    When you post Lah scale triad demo we ask for 2 versions

    1 bridging to head voice normally done at a much lower volume to allow smooth transition to head voice bethout the yodel (if you hear the yodel then your doing it too loud back off further until you don’t hear it)

    2 Chest voice scale is done louder and it designed to develop a strong robust chest voice. Important to stay in chest for as long as possible.

    Hope this gives you an insight it’s in so much more detail in the volume 1 tutorial material you downloaded.

    George

  • HiromiHiromi 2.0 PRO Posts: 9
    Thank you very much for your very quick response and lots of useful advice. I will go through instructions again and keep practicing more. I hope I can report back when I feel difference in my voice or when I feel being stuck. Nevertheless is it helpful to post my singing a song video to get advice? If so when should I start doing so? Is this discussion page the one to do so?
  • KahlKahl Pro Posts: 4
    edited July 28
    Great work, Hiromi.
  • TDeaneTDeane 3.0 Streaming Posts: 14
    Hey everyone, Quick question Should I upgrade to the 3.0? I've been doing Ken's 2.0 course since 4/15/2020 I do 3 chest 2 head 1 or 2 mixed voice exercises for 1 to 2 hours 6 to 7 days week only recently have tried to sing songs. I've played guitar most my life was lead and rhythm for 90% of bands I was in, been onstage in front of hundreds of people opened for national acts did backup vocals but cant find the courage to actually sing in front of folks. I lost some fingers and am in process of relearning the guitar and I really suck now but I will go onstage make a complete idiot out of myself trying to play something I did before the accident, when I say I suck badly that's understatement but I will do it, ask me to sing after all the hours I've put in to grow my voice and I bow out as quick as possible.
    Don't know if getting the 3.0 course is gonna help with my issue?
  • WigsWigs Moderator, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 4,229
    @1hottoddy If you have the course you get your student access here. You'll see there is alot of support for students and you can post your scales for feedback there. That will give you a very good indication of where your voice is at in relation to KTVA techniques. 3.0 won't solve any issues you have at the moment, that is more up to yourself and how diligent, honest and self moderating you are with your workouts. 3.0 does have alot more explanation and Ken really hammers home the importance of certain aspects so its possible having something explained in a different way could click for you, but im not going to blatantly say that upgrading will solve everything for you, Ken still expects the same hard work in 3.0, nothing about it is easier, but there are more explanations and tailored workouts from volume 3-5 for people with different ranges.

    Really sorry to hear about the accident, its very inspiring to hear you relearn something you were great at and are willing to put in the hard work to start over. This mind set will help greatly with your singing. Hope to hear you soon mate :smile:

    https://forum.kentamplinvocalacademy.com/discussion/6859/how-to-get-access-to-the-ktva-how-to-sing-better-than-anyone-else-student-areas-of-the-forums#latest
  • TDeaneTDeane 3.0 Streaming Posts: 14
    Thank you Wigs, I appreciate the advice, if 3.0 has more explanation I think that might help.
    Is it better to post scales or a song for feedback?
    Should have done it over year ago probably be farther along!
  • feliciahong99feliciahong99 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 11
    Hello,
    I’m a new student here and would appreciate some feedback as I am starting out :-)

    Here are 2 of my best songs so far which I hope to record again in six months to track my progress.

    Thank you in advance for your feedback/comments! 😍





  • WigsWigs Moderator, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 4,229
    @1hottoddy get your student access then post in the student area your scales.
  • WigsWigs Moderator, 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 4,229
    @feliciahong99 I think you will see quite a big improvement in 6 months. You already have a very nice voice and tone, but doing the exercises regularly will set up your vocal tract with more consistent vowel placement. There is a very SLIGHT raised laryngeal position for some words and a tendency to hang onto the Rs, but I think this is easily taken care of. Nice job mate!
  • VocalityVocality 2.0 PRO Posts: 1,507
    @feliciahong99 Had a listen to both your songs and good starting point and agree with @wigs you should see a big improvement in the next 6 months and with the regular training. Before and after is always a good gauge on progress!

    Good work!
  • feliciahong99feliciahong99 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 11
    @Wigs Thank you so much for taking the time to listen and to point out some specific areas I can work on. I total get the raised laryngeal position for some words and will also pay attention to the R’s.

    Can’t wait to share my progress in 6 months!
  • feliciahong99feliciahong99 2.0 PRO, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 11
    @Vocality Thank you for listening and giving feedback. I will practice regularly and come back in 6 months to compare :-)
  • PmnPmn Member Posts: 3
    Hello guys i just want to know if it is normal that I have throat pain when singing softly,but not when singing loud.....and people says I'm too loud when singing ,so I want to know if the pain will disappear over time when singing softly ..I dont have a vocal coach nearby so I just look at Ken's channel and trying to learn from there..
  • highmtnhighmtn Administrator, Moderator, Enrolled, Pro, 3.0 Streaming Posts: 15,155
    @Pmn
    It's not normal to have throat pain when singing. If you are having pain when singing softly, it could be because you are using too much air. Air dries out the vocal cords, so we use it sparingly when singing. Also, if people are telling you that your voice is loud when you sing, you may be oversinging when you sing loud. Don't use so much air pressure when singing. Ease off on the volume some.

    Bob
  • PmnPmn Member Posts: 3
    edited September 17
    Thanks you for replying.....it's really hard to control air...I'll upload a small quick sample of my singing.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/ZNBzO_jC4c0?feature=share
    When i sing like in the first part of the verse for sometime ,my throat will feel slight pain. But when I sing like I did in the chorus I can sing for an hour or so
  • PmnPmn Member Posts: 3
    edited September 17
    And sorry for low quality audio, I just record it with my phone and its mic is not that good
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